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Love Potion, Huge Violation of 3rd Law?
Arjan:
Luccio had a point.
Morals are not universal. Maybe they should be, and it should be my set of morals of course, but in practice not everybody has the same set but people believe in their own morals above those of everyone else
The white council as a worldwide organisation is too fragile, it will fall apart if the senior council tries to enforce moral standards too far from the highest common denominator.
They are also a secret society led by a gerontocracy who grew up when slavery and colonialism were normal and even good things. And got you killed for things we don’t even see as wrong.
I don’t want them to pick kids of the streets for breaking laws they never heard of more than necessary.
They are not the right tool for the job so they lowered their ambition level.
Paviel:
--- Quote ---Morals are not universal. Maybe they should be, and it should be my set of morals of course, but in practice not everybody has the same set but people believe in their own morals above those of everyone else
--- End quote ---
Arjan is right. The closest thing there is to a universal morality is the Golden Rule, or "Treat others the way you want to be treated." But no two people want to be treated exactly the same way, so even the Golden Rule is not as universal in practice as it sounds in theory.
This is why legislating morality is such a problem; it's necessary to define exactly whose morality. It is quite reasonable, then, for the White Council to decide that the only "morality" they're going to legislate is "Don't make the monsters stronger."
Quantus:
Magic that affects the mind is not itself against the Law (either at the Council Law level or the Universal one). That's a big part of why it took two different Laws to cover it. One is against mental Breaking & Entering, and the other is Thralling a person which is a fairly specific (if comprehensive) magical act; both directly Subvert Free Will. There are tons of mental magics that do not qualify, from the various Communication Spells we've seen, general deterrence wards and whatever else the Council uses when they meet (or execute) in Chicago, that Memory defense Spell of Elaine's, that Truth Spell of Luccios (I think), that Dont Notice Me potion from FM, the any phantasm-based illusion, etc etc.
In the case of the Potion, it upped the crap out of her sex drive but from the outside it's hard to say it if was a chemical vs a psychological effect. Neither would qualify as full Thralling or as Mental B&E like implanting a Nightmare would be. Hell, I could see the argument that Molly wouldnt have been breaking the laws if she'd just evoked an ambient fear response each time she witnessed her friend Using, instead of actually Implanting a persistent Nightmare.
groinkick:
The love (or more accurately lust) potion I think would be awesome to have if there weren't any side effects. I'd say that on more than one occasion a married couple, or just a couple in general want to get that "spark" back in their relationship. How better than to both take a swig of the potion and then spend the night having incredible sex?
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 16, 2018, 06:02:10 PM ---The love (or more accurately lust) potion I think would be awesome to have if there weren't any side effects. I'd say that on more than one occasion a married couple, or just a couple in general want to get that "spark" back in their relationship. How better than to both take a swig of the potion and then spend the night having incredible sex?
--- End quote ---
Are there side-effects to the one Harry brewed?
Yes, Susan puked, but I got the sense that had more to do with her drinking the escape potion while the love potion was still in effect.
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