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Love Potion, Huge Violation of 3rd Law?
vultur:
--- Quote from: Wizard Sibelis on July 12, 2018, 10:23:00 AM ---i'd bet since it effects the emotions and physiology over the psyche it's in the same grey area of free will violation that lets Whites be residents here.
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The Laws of Magic are irrelevant to the White Court. The Council can't go after them for enthralling people because of the Accords.
Also, the White Court feeding isn't a spell. White Court vampires are basically humans with Hunger spirits/demons glued to their souls; the Hunger gives the vampire powers and draws life from people through emotions.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Kindler on July 12, 2018, 06:07:37 PM ---Now, here's a question: was the Three-Eye drug Victor Sells brewed illegal by Council Law? Or was it illegal to distribute? Harry says the potions he sees in Sells's clubhouse have a nasty, black-magic-ish aura, but is that just Harry's interpretation of how horribly the potion corrupts the user?
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I doubt it - all ThreeEye seems to do is open your Sight. It doesn't change your will. It's absurdly dangerous to use, but I don't think it would have been a violation of the Law in and of itself.
The black magic Harry notices might just have been "this is really dangerous", or it might have been a reflection of the potion being made in dark rituals by a badly corrupted warlock. A potion with the exact same effect made by someone else might not have had a black magic "aura" when seen through the Sight.
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote from: vultur on July 13, 2018, 01:13:50 AM ---The Laws of Magic are irrelevant to the White Court. The Council can't go after them for enthralling people because of the Accords.
Also, the White Court feeding isn't a spell. White Court vampires are basically humans with Hunger spirits/demons glued to their souls; the Hunger gives the vampire powers and draws life from people through emotions.
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Yep, and I didn't say a word about the white council, I speak of resident of reality as in not pissing off the supervisor by straight up breaking free will by forcing them into psychic sex. They don't actually effect the mental persona, it can be resisted. compare that to Susan on Love potion ecstasy. Our great leader says 'free will in my sandbox' those who violate that tend to get evicted. Also, this free will violation is the impermeable truth behind the 7 laws anyway, so they similarity is not entirely wrong of you.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Wizard Sibelis on July 13, 2018, 01:47:22 AM ---Yep, and I didn't say a word about the white council, I speak of resident of reality as in not pissing off the supervisor
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Ah, I thought you meant resident of reality as in "why the Wardens haven't killed them all yet".
I think the Heaven powers only act directly against violations of free will originating from Hell, though they may empower mortals to act against other ones (the Red Court didn't get vaporized by angels, but the Swords were involved in their demise). The Black Court totally destroy people's free will - faith power damages them horribly, and Michael's killed a bunch of them, but they don't get Uriel-zapped.
Warbird:
So I was thinking more about this and it seems that the laws of magic (as defined by the White Council) are pretty particular with what they find to be violations and what doesn't. As someone pointed out above, Third-Eye was a potion that caused all sorts of harm to the user but the WC didn't seem to care about that. I guess it makes sense when the only penalty for violation is death (which I get into a bit more below).
While I don't agree with the WC on this, I think it clear from the text that Jim doesn't agree either. The WC is constantly portrayed as out of date, out of touch, etc., not good qualities. We even see with Harry how the laws being so clear cut on what technicality is a violation and what is not is not a good thing. Yes, Harry killed someone using magic, but it was in self-defense (and while the can apply, that barely seemed to in Harry's case).
So my end thought is that whether or not something violates the laws is kind of meaningless. The laws seemed designed not to help people but simply to prevent near catastrophic situations. I think this is mistake, but I feel the books present it as such. The WC isn't very interested in the mortal world (except with respect to them living there). Which caused them tons of issues. They seem to have no liaisons with law enforcement or even involvement with the lesser practitioners (i.e. the non-wizards). If they did then I would imagine they would go after things like Third-eye or love potions. But that's really another discussion.
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