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Love Potion, Huge Violation of 3rd Law?
Paviel:
Molly never got tainted for what she did to Harry in "Changes," so clearly that wasn't nearly as bad as what she did to her friends in "Proven Guilty."
And the main difference, as far as I can see, is that Harry consented to what she did in "Changes."
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on August 07, 2018, 06:13:42 PM ---"Blasé" and "just because" are not terms I would use to characterize Harry having his apprentice blank out parts of his mind in pure desperation before he sells his soul to an evil faerie queen as a last resort before a mission that's only going to get more suicidal the longer it goes on.
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Reread the part in Proven Guilty when Mouse gets shot. Reconcile what Harry tells Molly then, with what he asks of her in Changes.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on August 07, 2018, 06:13:42 PM ---I have considered it. See before, where I posit and argue that soul stuff is fundamentally different from mind stuff -- hell, people share and spread their souls around by accident. To my knowledge, nobody has been able to "accidentally" read someone else's mind.
I don't see how all of that doesn't also apply to the mind. The game text makes it pretty clear that there is a fundamental barrier there -- it serves a purpose to protect the thing it surrounds (the mind). It exists because the thing inside of it (the mind) can be damaged if it didn't.
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I don't own the game so I'll leave it to you to take whatever you want away from it. However given that Molly had no formal training in Proven Guilty, than it is obvious to me that she did indeed read a mind by accident. If as a later poster has suggested that other minds are broadcasting than they need to shut their windows. :)
If your point is the third law says any mind magic is forbidden, than you are correct.
If your point is that the council would never use it, you have failed to convince me.
If you say soul stuff is different than mind stuff, you are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that they are different sides of the same coin.
To be honest I have no idea of what the stain is or how it works. For the purpose of avoiding headaches I treat it like Heroin. (click to show/hide)It may or may not addict you but the danger is there. And if your friend gives it to you and you haven't asked him to than he's a dick and guilty of black magic. If you ask him to than you are merely stupid but he is still a dick. In a practical sense this works.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 07, 2018, 08:19:04 PM ---Reread the part in Proven Guilty when Mouse gets shot. Reconcile what Harry tells Molly then, with what he asks of her in Changes.I don't own the game so I'll leave it to you to take whatever you want away from it. However given that Molly had no formal training in Proven Guilty, than it is obvious to me that she did indeed read a mind by accident. If as a later poster has suggested that other minds are broadcasting than they need to shut their windows. :)
If your point is the third law says any mind magic is forbidden, than you are correct.
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It is very clear that only invading minds is forbidden, you can invite someone in your mind to do all kind of things except enthrallment, that has a seperate law.
Mira:
--- Quote from: peregrine on August 07, 2018, 03:30:45 PM ---Doesn't the law against transformation also specifically mention that you can't transform someone against their will? So obviously consent makes a difference in more situations than just mental magic.
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Well, if a person unknowingly drinks a love potion, that is transforming someone against their will. One may consent or accept a drink, but would one consent if one knew there was something in it to make them do what he or she didn't want to do?
Wizard Sibelis:
Molly accidently reads Harry's mind when he's thinking about sexing her up, yet she never reached, mouse too coincidently.
--- Quote ---When you break into someone
else’s mind
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everything there after denotes that original concept, that it's done without permission. Hence the grey area of healing(by GK) or mutual battles between pretty much every wizard who does combat during the war.
*coincidently, the Original Merlin has worked on freeing thralls and GK, 'the last cycle's Harry', is apparently the go to guy to work out psychic twisting.
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