The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Love Potion, Huge Violation of 3rd Law?
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Wizard Sibelis on August 03, 2018, 09:01:00 PM ---Mmm and yet the law specifically cites invading the mind of another, a denotation of force, instead of saying entering into another's mind or even breaking it.
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I am positing that any "entering" is by nature an invasion.
You're going into a place you're not intended to be, and it is traumatic by nature because you have to break through natural barriers to get in.
We haven't seen any such interactions described as one person "opening the door" for another, or the person being "entered" doing anything to facilitate or bring the other person in. It's always the other way around -- the person doing the entering is doing something to get in.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on August 03, 2018, 09:09:19 PM ---I am positing that any "entering" is by nature an invasion.
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There is something called free will in the dresdenverse. You can invite someone.
--- Quote ---You're going into a place you're not intended to be, and it is traumatic by nature because you have to break through natural barriers to get in.
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There is no evidence in the books about that. It starts getting traumatic when emotional drives and so on are changed but that is logical.
--- Quote ---We haven't seen any such interactions described as one person "opening the door" for another, or the person being "entered" doing anything to facilitate or bring the other person in. It's always the other way around -- the person doing the entering is doing something to get in.
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That does not matter as long as you are invited. If the door is unlocked you can open it if you have an invitation.
I do not think Harry would break the laws in weekly training sessions with Molly after all the effort he did to help her not to break it anymore. These sessions were legal.
The Gatekeeper must have entered minds to help wizards. There was too much information around about what Peabody had done.
And entering someones mind with an invitation should not be that difficult. Harry and Elaines communication spell seems to work that way. Harry was really in Elaines mind in White Night.
Compare it with the normal body. Sure most of the time it is illegal to stab someone but sometimes it is a surgeon with a scalpel and he tries to heal you.
And that surgeon is invited. You usually don't do surgery if the patient really does not want it.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Arjan on August 03, 2018, 10:06:42 PM ---There is something called free will in the dresdenverse. You can invite someone.
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If there's no door, they still have to break in.
--- Quote ---There is no evidence in the books about that. It starts getting traumatic when emotional drives and so on are changed but that is logical.
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It's putting yourself where you otherwise are incapable of going. That kind of thing is traumatic by nature. Same reason owning ways makes the fabric of reality weaker.
--- Quote ---That does not matter as long as you are invited. If the door is unlocked you can open it if you have an invitation.
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But there isn't a door. The mind is not a thing people can get into in normal circumstances. There isn't away for people to put others into their minds. That's part of the point Dresden is making when he tells molly that looking-- just looking-- in Luccio's head is breaking the laws.
--- Quote ---I do not think Harry would break the laws in weekly training sessions with Molly after all the effort he did to help her not to break it anymore. These sessions were legal.
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Harry outright says that the white council relaxed its normal restrictions on mind magic to make those training sessions legal.
--- Quote ---The Gatekeeper must have entered minds to help wizards. There was too much information around about what Peabody had done.
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Remember that the White Council's enforcement of the laws does not necessarily match the cosmic nature of them. Sticking a knife into someone is traumatic. Even if it's "allowed" because that person is a doctor.
--- Quote ---And entering someones mind with an invitation should not be that difficult. Harry and Elaines communication spell seems to work that way. Harry was really in Elaines mind in White Night.
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Communicating over surface thought appears to work differently. Harry didn't get any deeper that the literal conscious thoughts she was having in the moment. Like the Merlin's communication spell in Turin Coat.
--- Quote ---Compare it with the normal body. Sure most of the time it is illegal to stab someone but sometimes it is a surgeon with a scalpel and he tries to heal you.
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Yes. But, the important thing is, you still need weeks to heal until the hole in you closes.
--- Quote ---And that surgeon is invited. You usually don't do surgery if the patient really does not want it.
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And that permission does not change the fact that the knife is doing damage to your body that is traumatic and takes considerable time to heal, whether the procedure was ultimately beneficial or not.
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote ---If there's no door, they still have to break in.
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Molly and Corpsetaker engage in mental combat via a soul gaze. The eyes link to the mind, to the soul. It's simply physiology that, mirror neurons fire in response to eye contact.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Wizard Sibelis on August 04, 2018, 02:30:47 AM ---Molly and Corpsetaker engage in mental combat via a soul gaze. The eyes link to the mind, to the soul. It's simply physiology that, mirror neurons fire in response to eye contact.
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There corpsetaker didn't need the soulgaze. Molly initiated that. And besides, what the corpsetaker does is soul based in the first place. It's necromancy, not just mind magic.
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