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Is Michael more than he appears?
Arjan:
I don't know. Uriel seems to be ok with the wholy Molly thing.
There are some very strong statements here but some things just do not seem to add up.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 08, 2018, 09:48:57 AM ---There are some very strong statements here but some things just do not seem to add up.
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I think we don't know enough about the situation. I can see at least two possible reasons why Molly's situation might not be as bad as generally assumed.
- IMO, it's not certain that "soul" in the sense of what a wizard sees when they do a soulgaze is the same as "what goes on to the afterlife". Bob in GS talks about the soul and spirit being two different things, but they combine and become something else when a mortal dies. So it's possible that Fae-who-used-to-be-mortals have their soul transformed sufficiently that it won't register on a soulgaze, but it still exists in some form, enough to go on to the afterlife.
-Molly may not be Winter Lady long enough for the process to go to completion. There seems to be an Outsider-related apocalypse coming; the destruction or radical transformation of the Winter Court could be one way that would start. It's possible that Uriel has enough foresight to expect that.
(I also like the idea of Winter being destroyed because it would seem to fit the "what causes Harry more trouble" theme... Harry finally gets out of the Winter Mantle (because Winter is destroyed so there's nothing to fuel it) but then has to fight the Outsiders without it...)
Arjan:
--- Quote from: vultur on July 09, 2018, 06:28:38 AM ---I think we don't know enough about the situation. I can see at least two possible reasons why Molly's situation might not be as bad as generally assumed.
- IMO, it's not certain that "soul" in the sense of what a wizard sees when they do a soulgaze is the same as "what goes on to the afterlife". Bob in GS talks about the soul and spirit being two different things, but they combine and become something else when a mortal dies. So it's possible that Fae-who-used-to-be-mortals have their soul transformed sufficiently that it won't register on a soulgaze, but it still exists in some form, enough to go on to the afterlife.
-Molly may not be Winter Lady long enough for the process to go to completion. There seems to be an Outsider-related apocalypse coming; the destruction or radical transformation of the Winter Court could be one way that would start. It's possible that Uriel has enough foresight to expect that.
(I also like the idea of Winter being destroyed because it would seem to fit the "what causes Harry more trouble" theme... Harry finally gets out of the Winter Mantle (because Winter is destroyed so there's nothing to fuel it) but then has to fight the Outsiders without it...)
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We do not know a thing about what is after but we know about Hades. It is quite possible that the other afterlives are not that different and then doing something useful in defending reality might be preferable to doing nothing for eternity. It is about having a purpose. Ask Gard. The christian point of view is not the only one.
Or alternatively the Sidhe courts and Vadderung ultimately all serve the same boss just in very different departments and Uriel is just glad he helped recruit some valuable employee.
vultur:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 09, 2018, 08:40:24 PM ---We do not know a thing about what is after but we know about Hades. It is quite possible that the other afterlives are not that different and then doing something useful in defending reality might be preferable to doing nothing for eternity. It is about having a purpose. Ask Gard.
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Well, I was more talking about what would happen if Molly died, not her existence as Winter Lady. When she died in CD, did Lily's soul/spirit/whatever go on to some kind of afterlife, or did she just pop out of existence, or dissolve into the totality of Summer losing individual consciousness, or whatever happens to Fae when they die?
jbmdw45:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 07, 2018, 11:01:10 PM ---Very curious to see how he responds... I think it will be a grudge that won't be too obvious but will rear it's head eventually. Especially when he realizes that his daughters soul is dwindling away. It's more than just a mortal death. If that's not something to get revenge for I don't know what is.
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Somehow I don't think Michael will be the type to believe in souls "dwindling away," period. That's just Harry's take on it, not Michael's. Look at Michael's reaction to Nicodemus' claims about what would happen if Michael died in Hades' realm. Paraphrasing from memory: "On the one hand, I have your word. On the other hand, I have my Father's. I think I know to which voice I should listen."
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