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Could the Blackstaff Cure a Warlock of Corruption?
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--- Quote from: Mira on July 10, 2018, 06:36:25 PM --- Luccio had already been brain raped by Peabody and under the influence, which influenced her involvement with Harry. She may not have even been aware at the time that Molly entered her brain that she had because of what already had been done to her, her involvement with Harry may also have been a factor. Or because the damage done to her by Peabody was severe, she may not remember it.. There is also the desire for a cover up on the whole matter, so Molly may have dodged a bullet in this case.. However in no way is going into another's mind without permission a gray area, it is breaking the Laws of Magic pure and simple...
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Agreed on that, with the qualifier that the Act itself can be arguably Dark Grey rather than black. For example, it may have been the case when they were having to inspect and De-Program the entire council membership post-Peabody, we're talking about /mandatory/ psychic examination and 'treatment' by one of the top two most creepy Senior Council Members; or that time Molly "Examined" Harry to discover Mab's meddling and he sorta kinda maybe subconsciously gave her permission, but both Michael and Luccio did not object.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Trying is not breaking the law. You only break the law if you succeed. Morgan's word is just not enough to confirm law breaking.
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However attempting to murder someone is also a violation of the law... Molly knew what she was doing, she deliberately tried to get into her head, whether she succeeded or not is beside the point, the mere act is a violation.
--- Quote --- that time Molly "Examined" Harry to discover Mab's meddling and he sorta kinda maybe subconsciously gave her permission, but both Michael and Luccio did not object.
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Did he? I doubt it, it was so important to Michael and a Holy Knight to know whether or not Lasiel still had a hold over Harry that he was willing to risk his daughter.. Not just immediately, as if caught she would lose her head, but sending her down the slippery slope to warlockhood, if it could be justified then what was to stop her in the future... As in later in Turn Coat she thought she was justified in going into Luccio's head then, as she thought the first time she did it.. As for Luccio, she was under Peabody's influence back when Molly went into Harry's head, so her actions on the matter are not really her own...
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 11, 2018, 12:36:50 AM ---However attempting to murder someone is also a violation of the law...
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If you're under the Doom this may be the case. Not so with the laws of magic. As I posted in another topic, the laws are not like our laws in the criminal justice system. They are not about morality. They are about magical corruption, warlocks, Outsiders, and time travel. Attempting to kill someone with magic isn't the same as doing it. It doesn't cause the same taint, at least from what I can tell.
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 11, 2018, 02:03:04 AM ---If you're under the Doom this may be the case. Not so with the laws of magic. As I posted in another topic, the laws are not like our laws in the criminal justice system. They are not about morality. They are about magical corruption, warlocks, Outsiders, and time travel. Attempting to kill someone with magic isn't the same as doing it. It doesn't cause the same taint, at least from what I can tell.
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But they are about morality, why is there a law about going into someone's mind without their permission? If you attempt to kill someone with magic once, just because you don't succeed that doesn't mean you won't try again and succeed... What is there to prevent you trying again... Yes, it does cause some staining
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 11, 2018, 04:52:53 AM ---But they are about morality, why is there a law about going into someone's mind without their permission? If you attempt to kill someone with magic once, just because you don't succeed that doesn't mean you won't try again and succeed... What is there to prevent you trying again... Yes, it does cause some staining
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No they are not. The laws of magic are about restricting the use of magic, not about morality. Luccio explains this somewhere and there is also woj. Harry’s mother could not accept that either but that is what it is.
And with the laws of magic results are everything and intentions are nothing. There is also woj about that. If you by accident break the laws you are guilty. If you try however hard to break the laws but you don’t succeed you are not.
The white council can not kill every hack who wants to kill someone with magic but does not have the power or skill to succeed.
Molly’s situation was more complicated because she was already convicted, we do not know the exact implications of that but we know about Morgan and baby bunnies so don’t take his actions or words as what every warden would do.
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