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Who is the guy with an English accent in the cell at Demonreach?
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 31, 2018, 01:28:46 PM ---Worth noting that the entire conversation, including the accent, were happening in Harry's head, so the accent could be literal, or it equally could be part of harry's mind interpreting the communication in a familiar way (though the Piss Off slang makes me think it would have to be at least a little bit two-way.
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Ahh no, see. I actually thought about his choice of curse words and why he used it, being 'english', and i'm totally forgetting the names right now but, Piss is one of the original 'cuss words' that evolved from the Angelo Saxons being replaced as top tier society in England. It's actually a method to 'carbon date' so to speak the prisoners actual age/time in the mortal word. It's around the same time said revolution came about, so the 'youngsters' were calling out the new curse words based upon specific societal standards... and English guy is likely from the society who had the 'high bred' words instead.
*totally have to figure out the details here, but this IS a method to apply a date to the origin of the English Fellow.
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Panati's extraordinary origins of everyday things. pg347 ---With the conquest of England in 1066 by William of Normandy, the Angelo-Saxon language of the British Isles underwent several alterations. As the French-speaking Normans established themselves as the ruling caste, they treated native Saxons and their language as inferior. Many Saxon words were regarded as Crude simply because they were spoken by Saxons. Some of these words, once inoffensive, survived and passed into English as coarse, impolite, or foul expression....
...The Mother tongue of the twelve kings and queens from William 1st(ruled 1066-1087) to Richard 2nd(1377-1399) was Norman's French, though the Angelo-Saxons' English continued to be spoken. When the two tongues blended into a new language, Middle English, which became the official language of the court in 1362 and the language for teaching in the universities at Oxford and Cambridge in 1380...
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So it Dates the guy to right around Hastings too... perhaps a little later.. and iirc also puts it into the realm of Arthurian possibilities. And.. maybe the last Starborn too O.o ?
*Which reminds me, the blurb Susan said when meeting Michael, a knight put in stasis to fight in the end of days.... That's also cluebat towards the future prisoner not introduced for, what, 12 more books?
Quantus:
Have you ever actually /heard/ any middle-English? It's not even close to the modern language; hell, I find /latin/ easier to decipher and that's just from having exposure to science vocabulary. My high school English teacher made us memorize some of the Canterbury tales in the original Middle English and it's almost entirely incomprehensible. There's no way at all that that accent and/or turn of phrase is from Hastings era.
morriswalters:
I looked it up to be sure, but JB uses the term British. Not English. That was an accidental misquote on my part. What he actually says is, "This guy just sounded...British."
Wizard Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 01, 2018, 02:23:13 PM ---Have you ever actually /heard/ any middle-English? It's not even close to the modern language; hell, I find /latin/ easier to decipher and that's just from having exposure to science vocabulary. My high school English teacher made us memorize some of the Canterbury tales in the original Middle English and it's almost entirely incomprehensible. There's no way at all that that accent and/or turn of phrase is from Hastings era.
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Piss is specifically one of the words digested from the Angelo Saxon language... Which was directly Hasting era per the above quote... It seeming a relative novelty expression while being used, as though he learned it academically, implies to me he might have been from the era after it became the collegate... putting him STILL between Hastings and iirc BCV creation... and in Arthurian centuries...
I don't care what middle English sounds like, how is ANYONE from any other century except the last couple going to sound genuinely and simply 'british' to Harry anyway? And i'd doubt the prisoner is so relatively young... Think before you speak such rudness please -.-
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