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Walker enslaving a Denarian, other ideas
vultur:
I thought the favored theory was that Gard took the coin and Odin/Monoc Securities has it now?
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 03, 2018, 07:55:47 PM ---Jim stating that a Walker is Archangel level of power could mean it would enslave a Denarian trapped in it's Coin.
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I'm not sure something as inhuman as a Walker could meaningfully "interface" with a Denarian coin. It's possible since we know so little about them, but I rather doubt the Coin would have laid around for years unattended.
--- Quote ---Could the Coin have ended up with a Dark god that's locked up?
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I doubt it, I think only humans can bond with a Coin.
There's some latitude for variant-humans like the Genoskwa or White Court Vampires (Harry certainly thinks Thomas could be affected), but I think a human-type soul is a necessity. Even if I'm wrong about that, I don't think a Denarian could do much with an actual Immortal, which are immutable barring Halloween effects (Bob talks about the "locked stasis of immortality" in CD).
More likely, I think, would be the coin being imprisoned on its own -- if it was lying unattended on the island, Alfred might be able to take it into custody without a Warden's orders.
vultur:
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 06, 2018, 02:10:28 AM ---Yeah I was pretty surprised that a Walker had that kind of juice, but Jim also said that their are a lot of limitations to what they can do.
Just a guess but I'm thinking that what we have seen so far is just a projection of themselves in this reality, a tiny sliver of themselves.
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That sounds right, because Harry describes HWWBefore/Sharkface as being not larger than Mab but horribly deeper, like a sculpture vs a painting... it has an extra dimension. That could mean that the presence of HHWBefore that Harry encounters is just like a "window" that the true being Outside is reaching through.
Also, when Harry blows up Sharkface's head, a weird cloud entity flies away and the body falls down dead. So what Harry fights might actually be two levels removed: a physical body possessed/animated by a projection of the true HWWBefore. That would explain how Harry could beat something that's on the same "destroy galaxies by blinking" level as Uriel.
Hmmm... if true, that's kind of reminiscent of Ursiel in Death Masks - the mental/spiritual presence in the soulgaze is utterly overwhelming, just like HWWBefore has a massive mental attack. If that parallel is valid (enormous raw "spiritual" power sharply limited by a physical form), then who or what was the Sharkface body originally? A human body mutated by the Outsider's possession? A Fomor or Fomor-servant?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: vultur on July 06, 2018, 06:36:46 AM ---That sounds right, because Harry describes HWWBefore/Sharkface as being not larger than Mab but horribly deeper, like a sculpture vs a painting... it has an extra dimension. That could mean that the presence of HHWBefore that Harry encounters is just like a "window" that the true being Outside is reaching through.
Also, when Harry blows up Sharkface's head, a weird cloud entity flies away and the body falls down dead. So what Harry fights might actually be two levels removed: a physical body possessed/animated by a projection of the true HWWBefore. That would explain how Harry could beat something that's on the same "destroy galaxies by blinking" level as Uriel.
Hmmm... if true, that's kind of reminiscent of Ursiel in Death Masks - the mental/spiritual presence in the soulgaze is utterly overwhelming, just like HWWBefore has a massive mental attack. If that parallel is valid (enormous raw "spiritual" power sharply limited by a physical form), then who or what was the Sharkface body originally? A human body mutated by the Outsider's possession? A Fomor or Fomor-servant?
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There's a (possibly half-joking) WOJ that it was Vitto from WN. Basically somebody asked if it was Vitto and he said something to the effect of "Oh that a really cool Ide- I mean YES! I meant it that way the whole time!"
Wizard Sibelis:
Mmm this reminds me of my theory of the Walkers as Horsemen... and wonder about the combination of Walker(or other outside type being) and Starborn in one being, the consequences...
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Wizard Sibelis on July 06, 2018, 12:17:24 PM ---Mmm this reminds me of my theory of the Walkers as Horsemen... and wonder about the combination of Walker(or other outside type being) and Starborn in one being, the consequences...
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But there are 3 Walkers, and 4 Horsemen? I do kind of like the idea but don't know how it would fit.
Pestilence - Nemesis
War - He Who Walks Before
Death - He Who Walks Behind
Famine - ?????
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