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WAG.... Murphy has moved on
WereElephant:
--- Quote from: raidem on June 22, 2018, 01:41:35 PM ---I think Mother Winter will end up dying too. I mean her dying is much more powerful at stakes type of event than even Mab.
We do have a WOJ about one of the Mother's dying/changing and its result on the Fae. He was talking though with respect to the abdication I believe of the last Mother Summer, or possibly the theoretical changing of that position in the future.
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Depending on Mother Winter's relationship with the concept of Death (Dresden mentioned when summoning her that she was about as close to that persona as many thought you could get), she might not be able to die, even on Halloween. What is dead cannot die, anyone?
If possible, I do think it likely, primarily based on my analysis of Cowl's agenda. Either leading up to or within the BAT, I'm expecting some massive infrastructure changes and destabilizations in the supernatural realm. The Faerie Courts might go the way of the Aesir and Vanir, leaving the defense of reality to new players. Assuming, of course, that reality survives.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 21, 2018, 02:23:58 PM ---And born out of apparently irrational hatred of a character. Murphy = Mab, even if I'm tired of seeing it, at least doesn't have that kind of needless derogation behind it....
*more stuff I cut because it's a bit of a wall of text*
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An eloquent articulation of how I feel about both topics.
Mostly, it's not that I'm a fan of Murphy, it's that there is a very, almost absurdly specific interpretation of her actions throughout the series that leads to people painting her as a villain, or not supportive of the guy she promised to walk into Hades for, or who took up a holy Sword on a suicide mission to attack what appeared to be the entire Red Court, or who... you get the idea. It's like anything she does that's positive is interpreted negatively, or gets selfish motivations ascribed to it, or she's otherwise blamed for not knowing everything Harry does, or treated as though her own thoughts and emotions shouldn't matter to the choices she makes.
I mean, we get it, and we all agree: she broke the Sword. That likely could've been avoided if she could see the future. But bringing it along wasn't arrogance, it was for two reasons: first, she wanted to protect Harry. Second, she decided to bring it after they met the Genoskwa, and she saw him toss Harry across the warehouse, shrug off Harry's magic like it was nothing, and essentially kick his butt without trying. She realized that they needed a different weapon to deal with him, so she brought the Sword. She was wrong; the weapon they needed was Goodman Grey, but she didn't know he was on The Team. Even he wasn't able to finish it off.
Anyway, I will likely never agree with some people here about Murphy. I think she's a good character who's demonstrated she's on Harry's side more times than I can count, and remains one of the only people in Harry's life who is willing to tell him he's wrong.
Also, come on, guys: Jim is not going to end their relationship within one book of it finally starting, not after twenty years of buildup. Give it until Body Slam at the very least, cuz Murphy probably won't be in Mirror, Mirror much.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: WereElephant on June 22, 2018, 03:33:37 PM ---Depending on Mother Winter's relationship with the concept of Death (Dresden mentioned when summoning her that she was about as close to that persona as many thought you could get), she might not be able to die, even on Halloween. What is dead cannot die, anyone?
If possible, I do think it likely, primarily based on my analysis of Cowl's agenda. Either leading up to or within the BAT, I'm expecting some massive infrastructure changes and destabilizations in the supernatural realm. The Faerie Courts might go the way of the Aesir and Vanir, leaving the defense of reality to new players. Assuming, of course, that reality survives.
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If she can "lose" her Walking Stick, if it's painful for her to move to the mortal realm without it I'd guess she can be killed. She's not omnipotent. She's just lots, and lots of Mantles making her insanely powerful, but still not invincible. Of course if it would take the entire White Council to maybe stand a chance against Mab on Earth, and Mab is but a stone to a mountain by comparison it gives you an idea of what would be required to take on Mother Winter....
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Kindler on June 22, 2018, 04:46:35 PM ---An eloquent articulation of how I feel about both topics.
Mostly, it's not that I'm a fan of Murphy, it's that there is a very, almost absurdly specific interpretation of her actions throughout the series that leads to people painting her as a villain, or not supportive of the guy she promised to walk into Hades for, or who took up a holy Sword on a suicide mission to attack what appeared to be the entire Red Court, or who... you get the idea. It's like anything she does that's positive is interpreted negatively, or gets selfish motivations ascribed to it, or she's otherwise blamed for not knowing everything Harry does, or treated as though her own thoughts and emotions shouldn't matter to the choices she makes.
I mean, we get it, and we all agree: she broke the Sword. That likely could've been avoided if she could see the future. But bringing it along wasn't arrogance, it was for two reasons: first, she wanted to protect Harry. Second, she decided to bring it after they met the Genoskwa, and she saw him toss Harry across the warehouse, shrug off Harry's magic like it was nothing, and essentially kick his butt without trying. She realized that they needed a different weapon to deal with him, so she brought the Sword. She was wrong; the weapon they needed was Goodman Grey, but she didn't know he was on The Team. Even he wasn't able to finish it off.
Anyway, I will likely never agree with some people here about Murphy. I think she's a good character who's demonstrated she's on Harry's side more times than I can count, and remains one of the only people in Harry's life who is willing to tell him he's wrong.
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And that is exactly the problem. Telling Harry he is wrong is called lecturing. It is a sign of arrogance and it implies you don't understand Harry. Nobody should say Harry is wrong, it will only undermine his confidence. It shows you don't love Harry. It is actually a sign you are trying to undermine Harry. You are evil, you should die in the next book. It is better for you.
--- Quote ---Also, come on, guys: Jim is not going to end their relationship within one book of it finally starting, not after twenty years of buildup. Give it until Body Slam at the very least, cuz Murphy probably won't be in Mirror, Mirror much.
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raidem:
Mother Winter isn't death. And she can abdicate, then move on like the previous Mother Summer did.
I'd like to see Mother Winter go down, cuz you know it would be EPIC. And you know if she went down she'd take out a huge amount of BADS with her. I don't have as much emotions tied up with her though.
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