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WAG.... Murphy has moved on
peregrine:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on June 21, 2018, 04:45:11 AM ---I'm not sure why you guys are still doing these. You know everyone who will argue for either side, you've seen the arguments from them a dozen times and replied with your own arguments and it never goes anywhere. Are you all just too stubborn to quit?
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The alternative is to not challenge someone when they put forward something that is not just wrong but patently false.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: peregrine on June 21, 2018, 05:54:30 AM ---The alternative is to not challenge someone when they put forward something that is not just wrong but patently false.
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And clearly not a joke. If it was a joke I would just laugh and maybe just improve it or counter it with a different one, there is not enough humor here lately.
raidem:
--- Quote ---Murphy is Mab is a bit far fetch for my taste. Murphy taking up the mantle of one of the queens of faerie in the future however, well that is worth contemplating.
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Well that is part of my theory about Murphy becoming Mab at some point in the future rather than the past. I do allow for that, instead of her being Mab currently. I also allow for her to be Mab in some alternate reality that will at some point converge with our story.
--- Quote ---If Murphy continue to stay around Harry, she might be dragged into the political power struggles of the fae realms. She already garnered some attention from Gard, and by extention Vadderung. Which menat she is in Kringgle's radar and if Mab does not at least notice her, Mab is an idiot and an idiot Mab is not.
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Murphy was at Arctis Tor. Murphy is Harry's love interest. Murphy was close to Harry from the get go of Storm Front. Murphy participated in the assault and destruction of the Red Court while wielding a Knight of the Cross fully wielding the powers of Heaven. Murphy killed Maeve. Murphy accompanied Harry as his second which Mab required as part of the deal in Skin Game that there be a 2nd to accompany Harry then. There is no chance Mab isn't aware of Murphy and has no plans for her.
So, what is Mab's plan for Murphy?
They were in the same room together with an unconscious Mac in Cold Days. I believe they were either in the cottage or the shelter of the old lighthouse, most likely the latter. I'd find it difficult to believe Mab didn't notice Murphy then.
--- Quote ---Now I know that most people don't believe in the theory of Murphy being Mab.
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There may be some type of intellectus going on where Mab/notMurphy knows that a Mab/Murphy exists in some past/present/future/alternate reality and there is feedback occurring by the existence of this Mab/Murphy existing out there somewhere. Perhaps what I'm picking up in perceived ironies/foreshadowing is not necessarily that Murphy=Mab but rather that somewhere at sometime Murphy=Mab and it is affecting our Mab.
The same may be argued for Ms. Duck's theory about Mab/Molly.
I still prefer the Mab/Murphy theory though as it allows better ironies. The wierd thing though is why would Murphy want to name her kid Maeve? And wouldn't she know that she would already get infected.
Perhaps she already knew the fate but did everything to prevent it and thought she had succeeded but only to have failed.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Arjan on June 21, 2018, 06:34:35 AM ---And clearly not a joke. If it was a joke I would just laugh and maybe just improve it or counter it with a different one, there is not enough humor here lately.
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And born out of apparently irrational hatred of a character. Murphy = Mab, even if I'm tired of seeing it, at least doesn't have that kind of needless derogation behind it.
No, what we have happening is a clear, consistent campaign of character assassination built on misinterpretations at best and outright falsehoods at worst. It manifests in attempts to remove any and all credit from Murphy for her genuine accomplishments ("She didn't really save the day, she just got played," or "Murphy didn't shoot Maeve and save Harry, Mab was controlling her the whole time," or "Nicodemus wouldn't have done anything if Murphy hadn't brought the Sword.") while insulting her or blaming her for everything wrong ("She's arrogant and thinks she knows better than God," or "She's just lecturing and nagging Harry," "She's still the same distrustful character she was in the first books" or "It's her fault that Butters didn't trust Harry.") and outright making things up ("Uriel said she shouldn't have the Swords," or "Murphy keeps winning fist fights with supernatural creatures, that's unrealistic.")
Murphy cooling Harry down from nearly murdering her in a rage using her trust, patience, love and understanding of Harry becomes, "Murphy bullied and manipulated him so she could keep the Swords."
There was once a poster who argued that Murphy going to help Harry rescue Molly made Murphy personally and exclusively responsible for every crime in the city of Chicago because she wasn't around to stop them.
We're all sick of seeing it. Frankly the way Murphy is torn down while other, male characters who do the same or worse than her are lauded or their offenses ignored (or even projected on to Murphy) and the way that people are actively campaigning for her to be fridged because of how it will hurt Harry reeks of misogyny.
I mean, let's talk about Marcone for a second. Every few months there's a thread or a discussion on how people think he'll be a Knight of the Cross.
Read Even Hand. Read about how he very nearly gives Justine and an innocent child to the Fomor because that's what protocol is. Then read how, even after he's killed the Fomor lord and protected Justine and the child, he very nearly puts a bullet in her head anyway, just because she knows of his defenses and might some day tell Harry about them. He only doesn't because that would draw Harry into a confrontation immediately, instead of somewhere down the line.
That, apparently, is Knight of the Cross material -- while Murphy, whose trust and love and faith and willingness to put herself to the hazard to save others is cemented in the last several books, is constantly demeaned, blamed for others' mistakes and met with cries of "Kill her already so Harry can suffer/Molly can schtupp Harry instead!"
peregrine:
--- Quote from: raidem on June 21, 2018, 12:27:10 PM ---There may be some type of intellectus going on where Mab/notMurphy knows that a Mab/Murphy exists in some past/present/future/alternate reality and there is feedback occurring by the existence of this Mab/Murphy existing out there somewhere.
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Would this be the same intellectus that lets completely random people like the mailman know that Harry is switching universes? The same intellectus that must exist in order for someone who has absolutely no other way of knowing something know that thing to justify a whacko theory?
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