The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
WAG.... Murphy has moved on
Arjan:
--- Quote from: jonas on June 20, 2018, 08:15:29 PM ---All you seem to do here anymore Arjan is troll idea's you don't like...
*vehemently disagree, argue evidence to the contrary, ignore them, ect. Don't sit there and make tasteless jokes on people's idea's as a way to cut at them.
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I sometimes make a joke when the situation calls for it, that is all. There is no malice in it. Do not take it too seriously. Concentrate on the things you like.
raidem:
I liked the joke.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Everyone who thinks saving that wood and steel is more important than saving Harry and Waldo makes that same mistake.
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You miss the point of the carefully crafted set up, that is why as he beat the crap out of her, Nic took such pleasure in taunting her. Neither Harry nor Butters were ever really in danger, Nic wasn't going to jeopardize his deal with Mab. Harry saw through it, but wasn't able to warn Murphy not to attack. Nobody is saying that life is less important than steel, but truth was, she wasn't saving anyone, she let herself be tricked and she went right where Nic wanted her to go.
--- Quote ---Which brings us to the important decision and that is not what she did when Nicodemus did his mock surrender, she knew she was not knight material and that she would place saving Harry above saving a denarian soul. The important decisions were bringing the sword and risking it to save lives. That decision was made earlier.
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Yes, she knew, but she was also arrogant, so arrogant as to think she knew better than Harry, or even God... She was self proclaimed custodian, not the custodian.. For the sake of argument lets go along with she was bringing the Sword to wield herself in spite of the danger she would put it in because with it she could save lives... But if that was the real intention, the opposite would have happened... 1] After the Sword broke, Nic would have beaten her to death, not just cripple her, oh he may have had Harry's skull crushed in front of her first.. No lives would have been saved..
--- Quote ---After that all her decisions were made under heavy pressure and she was following her nature. she did what she thought was best and she achieved a lot. She saved the day. She deserves recognition for that. Especially since I did not really read a better action plan here and we had years to think about it, she had to decide immediately.
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No, she didn't save the day, she merely was played and got a Sword broken..
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 20, 2018, 11:27:45 PM --- You miss the point of the carefully crafted set up, that is why as he beat the crap out of her, Nic took such pleasure in taunting her. Neither Harry nor Butters were ever really in danger, Nic wasn't going to jeopardize his deal with Mab. Harry saw through it, but wasn't able to warn Murphy not to attack. Nobody is saying that life is less important than steel, but truth was, she wasn't saving anyone, she let herself be tricked and she went right where Nic wanted her to go.
Yes, she knew, but she was also arrogant, so arrogant as to think she knew better than Harry, or even God... She was self proclaimed custodian, not the custodian.. For the sake of argument lets go along with she was bringing the Sword to wield herself in spite of the danger she would put it in because with it she could save lives... But if that was the real intention, the opposite would have happened... 1] After the Sword broke, Nic would have beaten her to death, not just cripple her, oh he may have had Harry's skull crushed in front of her first.. No lives would have been saved..
No, she didn't save the day, she merely was played and got a Sword broken..
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After the sword broke and Murphy is injured and Harry captured, technically speaking Nick already won the day. After he thinks that he has won, Nick, as all villain, most likely falls into the same problem all villains has. Gloating.
It is also need to be remembered that the dinarians thrive on pain and suffering. Killing Murphy is good, but milking all the pain, suffering and despair out of her and Harry is even better. The fallen feeds on it. Ft. Forthill mention this to Harry in book 5. The pain and suffering of those who stood up against the fallen are especially delicious. If you haven't notice, Murphy fit the description perfectly. Nick or maybe Anduriel is eating their meal. That is why Murphy is not killed outright.
In Nick's eyes there is no risk to it. All possible threat has been neutralize. It is checkmate already. Nick not killing Murphy immedietly is understandable. As a matter of fact, it is not just understandable, it is typical. It is just Nick milking all the profits out of the incident.
How the hell could he know that Uriel and Michael will come up with lending the grace of an Archangel and foil him? It is a classic example of a predator being the weakest when it is feeding. Nick's guard is down, his arrogance is at max and Michael and Uriel take advantage of the fact.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 20, 2018, 11:27:45 PM --- You miss the point of the carefully crafted set up, that is why as he beat the crap out of her, Nic took such pleasure in taunting her. Neither Harry nor Butters were ever really in danger, Nic wasn't going to jeopardize his deal with Mab. Harry saw through it, but wasn't able to warn Murphy not to attack. Nobody is saying that life is less important than steel, but truth was, she wasn't saving anyone, she let herself be tricked and she went right where Nic wanted her to go.
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To believe that you have to believe Nicodemus gloating which was not designed to deliver truth but to do maximum harm. It was part of the beating. Such stuff is always never completely true. It just has to be the most negative story that is even remotely plausible at the moment. Plausible for someone who is beaten down anyway.
Nicodemus is always lying somehow and here the motives for his lying pile up. You can be sure his explanation of the facts is wrong, you only have to find out how.
--- Quote ---Yes, she knew, but she was also arrogant, so arrogant as to think she knew better than Harry, or even God...
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That is just slander inspired by Nicodemus gloating. She was desperate to make something out of a hopeless situation and that was why she took the sword. And she did. It ended badly for her but that means it ended up beter for everyone else.
Nicodemus would have gotten something out of it, Butters actions made that unavoidable. The question was what and Murphy's actions decided that. The problem for Nicodemus was that he could not choose, was too gready to consolidate his gains. So he fell for the even greater sausage that was held before his nose.
Nicodemus is not really that smartbut he is always better informed than people think. His nature is used again and again against him. He lies more than necessary. Do not believe him.
To understand Murphy's actions you have to place yourself in her shoes with her knowledge. That can not be done by someone who believes Nicodemus lies because they only paint a caricature of Murphy. And the first thing Nicodemus lies about is motivation because Nicodemus can not understand Murphy's motivation for the same reason he can not understand Harry's.
--- Quote ---She was self proclaimed custodian, not the custodian.. For the sake of argument lets go along with she was bringing the Sword to wield herself in spite of the danger she would put it in because with it she could save lives... But if that was the real intention, the opposite would have happened... 1] After the Sword broke, Nic would have beaten her to death, not just cripple her, oh he may have had Harry's skull crushed in front of her first.. No lives would have been saved..
No, she didn't save the day, she merely was played and got a Sword broken..
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She was the de facto custodian. Harry gave the swords to her. If you have the swords in your possession you are responsible for them as long as you can not give that responsibility to someone else. She could not give the swords back to Harry in Cold Days for obvious reasons as was foreshadowed by Sanya so she was stuck with them. She just did her best as everyone should have done.
She was actually not a bad custodian. She kept the swords from Harry when that was necessary and brought Amorachius to Michaels home, exactly the place where it was needed.
And Nicodemus did not really wanted to kill Murphy, he wanted to kill Harry in such a way that Mab was still bound to help him rob Hades. If that failed he wanted to weaken Harry for the rest of the game and the beating and gloating served that purpose better than killing her.
But the main problem for Nicodemus is that he wanted more, more and more and could not choose. Those choices were made for him. It was not a carefully designed masterplan, he did not predict Butters spying, it was improvisation.
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