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WAG.... Murphy has moved on
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 19, 2018, 03:45:29 PM ---All of this ignores the fact that even before Murphy left her house she lectured Harry as to why she shouldn't use a Holy Sword... Yes, it worked for C.I. but she didn't like being a sock puppet for an archangel
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I don't remember a lot of stuff from the books. Could you show where she says this?
--- Quote --- She didn't believe that any of them deserved such a chance, they only deserved execution, thud her carrying a Sword thus put it at risk for being broken...
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After removing the Coin Nicodemus ordered the execution of the man she loves. I'd hardly say that she believes they deserve execution if they are actually seeking redemption, which Nicodemus was clearly not doing. Murphy is not a blood thirsty monster. If Nic's surrender hand been genuine, she'd have accepted it. She only raised the Sword to kill him after he ordered the murder of her friend. Nicodemus was protected because he removed the Coin, but he was not innocent, nor was he seeking redemption.
Mr. Death:
Protected against bullets or not, the gun was not in Murphy's hand and she only had leverage on Nicodemus because both her hands are on the Sword. As we see immediately afterward, Nicodemus is extremely capable in hand-to-hand and Murphy adjusting her grip on the sword and reaching for her gun would have been all the opening he'd need to disarm her.
And Mira, I really don't know what you're trying to argue by restating how the Swords work. We already know all that. We already clearly understand the parameters of using the Sword. I should think that was obvious from the bit of my post you quoted, so I really don't get why you feel the need to try and tell me something I obviously already know.
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 19, 2018, 06:49:21 PM ---I don't remember a lot of stuff from the books. Could you show where she says this?
After removing the Coin Nicodemus ordered the execution of the man she loves. I'd hardly say that she believes they deserve execution if they are actually seeking redemption, which Nicodemus was clearly not doing. Murphy is not a blood thirsty monster. If Nic's surrender hand been genuine, she'd have accepted it. She only raised the Sword to kill him after he ordered the murder of her friend. Nicodemus was protected because he removed the Coin, but he was not innocent, nor was he seeking redemption.
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Ditto. Also, Mira, please quote the bit where she says none of them deserve a chance and they all deserve execution.
Chapter and page number, please, so we can all verify it.
forumghost:
She doesn't, exactly. What she says is that she want's no part in helping them. She goes over this when explaining to Harry why she won't take up the Sword:
“And that’s why I’m not carrying one. I don’t want to save those animals, Harry."
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: forumghost on June 19, 2018, 07:26:13 PM ---She doesn't, exactly. What she says is that she want's no part in helping them. She goes over this when explaining to Harry why she won't take up the Sword:
“And that’s why I’m not carrying one. I don’t want to save those animals, Harry."
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That's exactly my point.
Nowhere in the book does Murphy say the things Mira keeps insisting she feels. Nowhere in the book does she say anything like, "They all deserve to be executed" or "I don't believe in redemption."
forumghost:
I mean yeah, but I see why someone could read it that way. It's very much a blanket "fuck those guys" kind of statement- she's saying that she doesn't have it in her to even try and turn them around (not that I can blame her, I'd do the same).
Which is imo quite in keeping with Karrin's character. She doesn't save badguys from themselves, she stops them. Like I always put it: there's a reason that Harry saw her as an avenging angel and not a guardian angel.
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