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WAG.... Murphy has moved on
peregrine:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 18, 2018, 09:21:24 PM ---She showed her weakness when she thought she could handle a Holy Sword after stating all the reasons why she shouldn't..
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So what you're saying is that Murphy was right and Harry was wrong when she disagreed with him about whether or not to bring the Sword on the mission.
--- Quote from: Arjan on June 18, 2018, 09:49:12 PM ---Murphy showed her love. It is clear she tried it anyway because that was the only way she saw to save Harry. And she did save Harry's life. It is still not clear what else she could have done at that moment, I have heard of no alternative action that could have realistically saved Harry's life at that moment and people have tried to come up with one.
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Yes, but you see, if we take Nic's statement at face value that he was just pretending in order to break a sword, then she could have just done nothing and Harry would be fine.
I mean, sure, we'd then have to ignore Nic's immediate follow up statement that compares what he did to Harry's attempt to run interference for Butters so he could escape and thus violate his duty to aid Nic, and also Harry's explicit recognition of how he could justify a legitimate attempt to kill Harry. But why would Nic lie about something like that?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: peregrine on June 18, 2018, 11:54:02 PM ---So what you're saying is that Murphy was right and Harry was wrong when she disagreed with him about whether or not to bring the Sword on the mission.Yes, but you see, if we take Nic's statement at face value that he was just pretending in order to break a sword, then she could have just done nothing and Harry would be fine.
I mean, sure, we'd then have to ignore Nic's immediate follow up statement that compares what he did to Harry's attempt to run interference for Butters so he could escape and thus violate his duty to aid Nic, and also Harry's explicit recognition of how he could justify a legitimate attempt to kill Harry. But why would Nic lie about something like that?
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For the psychological damage it does. Nicodemus us is full of shit so whatever he says first has a purpose and truth is only a bonus, even if it is true it was probably just a half truth anyway.
Nicodemus knows Karen feels guilt about breaking the sword so he would say everything to make it worse.
Ignoring Nicodemus statements especially everything that comes without prove and especially his Stated intentions should be your default, there is always a good reason for him to lie because there is always a reason for what he says.
peregrine:
Yeah, but he can also do damage by rubbing in how he was able to get away with almost murdering Harry by using the exact same logic Harry did.
Basically, to presume that Nic was not going to have Harry killed requires us to believe him when he was talking about how it was all a lie, and then ignore the parts that come immediately afterwards, including Harry admitting that he's got an excuse for trying to have Harry killed.
Not that it stops people.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: peregrine on June 19, 2018, 02:42:10 AM ---Yeah, but he can also do damage by rubbing in how he was able to get away with almost murdering Harry by using the exact same logic Harry did.
Basically, to presume that Nic was not going to have Harry killed requires us to believe him when he was talking about how it was all a lie, and then ignore the parts that come immediately afterwards, including Harry admitting that he's got an excuse for trying to have Harry killed.
Not that it stops people.
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Well any theory based on believing what Nicodemus says is just plain silly :)
(click to show/hide)It points to the obvious: all Murphy bashing is part of Nicodemus agenda. the Murphy bashers are denarians or denarian tools misled by the lies of the fallen. You can of course ignore them but that means you are ignoring evil in your mids. As real knights we need to expose the lies of the fallen and try to save their victims how futile that might seem, it is good work. It is about saving souls.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: Arjan on June 19, 2018, 05:15:05 AM ---Well any theory based on believing what Nicodemus says is just plain silly :)
(click to show/hide)It points to the obvious: all Murphy bashing is part of Nicodemus agenda. the Murphy bashers are denarians or denarian tools misled by the lies of the fallen. You can of course ignore them but that means you are ignoring evil in your mids. As real knights we need to expose the lies of the fallen and try to save their victims how futile that might seem, it is good work. It is about saving souls.
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Silly indeed.
On the one hand we have Nicodemous's take on things, and on the other hand we have Harry's view on the matter. It is clear that Harry believes that his life, Butter's life and Murphy's life are in real danger during the incident.
Believing in Nicodemous is not only silly. It also makes Harry looks very stupid, and since Murphy learns most of her stuff about the supernatural world from Harry, I can't really blame Murphy for the mistake even in the impossible event that Nicodemous speaks the truth. If even Harry misread the situation so badly, Murphy making the mistake is only to be expected and since Harry is the one who invited her to be his partner in this game to begin with, Harry again being portrayed as a true idiot.
The idea that Harry's life is not really in danger, makes "team good" look so incompetent the entire Dresden files series become so much of a joke. that is how much damage the idea cause to the overall value of the story.
The idea is not worth the damage.
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