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WAG.... Murphy has moved on
Mr. Death:
Odin also implied Harry could get free of the mantle.
Does that mean he's also closed minded and deluded and doing Harry harm?
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on June 18, 2018, 04:51:58 PM ---Odin also implied Harry could get free of the mantle.
Does that mean he's also closed minded and deluded and doing Harry harm?
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The amount of effort Jim has put into foreshadowing Harry dropping the Mantle at some point is too great to ignore. There are a few things that might convince Harry to hang onto it longer than he has to—namely, Mab might view it as reneging on his deal and un-fix his spine, he might see the loss of power as too dangerous depending on his current enemy situation (pretty much everyone), and Harry has already stated that it might be better if he has the Mantle, because someone with less experience resisting temptation could easily become another Lloyd. Regardless, I think Harry will pull a Trickster and figure some way out that satisfies Mab and doesn't endanger his family and friends. (Or Winter will be destroyed. Whichever comes first.)
--- Quote from: Mira on June 18, 2018, 04:12:23 PM ---That is what has worried me and increasing since she left the police force, one reason why I am not much of a fan anymore.This is what I mean about not asking any questions or listening to what Harry has to say. I think she does more harm than good with the attitude that he could get out of the gig if he really wanted to.
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My counter to this is that Murphy is the only one who's consistently pushing Harry to remain himself rather than submit to his situation. She wants his situation to be better, because Harry really doesn't like being the Winter Knight. Contrast that with Michael, who later in Skin Game tells Harry not to worry, because he's strong and tough and can stay himself anyway. While it's nice to hear, that's the kind of thing that gets someone stuck in the same place. It's sacrificing the future for the present.
--- Quote ---I keep reading suggestions about possible power ups and mantles for Murphy, but to my mind if this were to happen it would blow a lot of why many of her fans claim they lover her. That being she is the mortal vanilla human element in Harry's life that keeps him grounded... But give her a power up or a mantle, she can no longer come from that perspective.
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I agree and I disagree; I don't want her to pick up any power-ups, but I don't think it would make her forget what it is to be human, or powerless.
raidem:
--- Quote ---Odin also implied Harry could get free of the mantle.
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See, this is where I take more meaning from Vadderung's comments. I believe he was also implying that Harry could free Mab from her mantle. This would go with my theory that Harry will try to free Murphy from the Mab mantle at some point. Or it can mean that Molly could be freed from her mantle. Or it can mean, like you said, that Harry can be free of it. Overall though, I think the meaning between Vadderung and Mother Summer's comment that all the mantle holders have the possibility to remain themself and free themself from the mantle is more inclusive than specific to one individual. So, we need to keep in mind that Mab's individual identity is in play and someone may want to save her. If not Harry, then maybe Merlin's lover or something like that. Someone may want to preserve/rescue Mab's soul from the Fae Queen heirarchy.
It may be that Mab is/will be nemfected and the only way to save Mab is to separate her from the mantle so the mantle can get free from the nemfected part.
Mira:
--- Quote ---My counter to this is that Murphy is the only one who's consistently pushing Harry to remain himself rather than submit to his situation. She wants his situation to be better, because Harry really doesn't like being the Winter Knight. Contrast that with Michael, who later in Skin Game tells Harry not to worry, because he's strong and tough and can stay himself anyway. While it's nice to hear, that's the kind of thing that gets someone stuck in the same place. It's sacrificing the future for the present.
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Michael gave Harry confidence, Murphy's message didn't.. Sadly Harry has to think in the present, because if he doesn't and goes into battle against his powerful foes he won't survive...
--- Quote ---I agree and I disagree; I don't want her to pick up any power-ups, but I don't think it would make her forget what it is to be human, or powerless.
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No? Look what the Winter knight mantle almost did to Harry and he has been dealing with awesome power all of his life. Remember it was said that Slate wasn't always what he turned into after he became the Winter Knight. He couldn't deal with the power and temptations of it. Murphy is only human, she as susceptible as anyone else to temptation.. She showed her weakness when she thought she could handle a Holy Sword after stating all the reasons why she shouldn't..
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 18, 2018, 09:21:24 PM ---Michael gave Harry confidence, Murphy's message didn't.. Sadly Harry has to think in the present, because if he doesn't and goes into battle against his powerful foes he won't survive...
No? Look what the Winter knight mantle almost did to Harry and he has been dealing with awesome power all of his life. Remember it was said that Slate wasn't always what he turned into after he became the Winter Knight. He couldn't deal with the power and temptations of it. Murphy is only human, she as susceptible as anyone else to temptation.. She showed her weakness when she thought she could handle a Holy Sword after stating all the reasons why she shouldn't..
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Murphy showed her love. It is clear she tried it anyway because that was the only way she saw to save Harry. And she did save Harry's life. It is still not clear what else she could have done at that moment, I have heard of no alternative action that could have realistically saved Harry's life at that moment and people have tried to come up with one.
At the end the breaking of the sword was not that important because the sword might have been broken but the faith was not. Karen and Harry's faith in each other only became stronger.
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