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Are the Old Ones also locked out?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on June 16, 2018, 05:48:08 PM ---Walkers, outsiders, old ones and sleepers are what demonreach was built to truly contain. From the sound of it, the oblivion war will either wake the sleepers or even let in the bad guys from beyond the gate. I could see the prison then being used to contain those entities so no longer a threat.
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Where do you get that part? By all accounts it's either uninvolved with the Outsider side of things or else would be doing the exact opposite.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 21, 2018, 12:11:43 PM ---Where do you get that part? By all accounts it's either uninvolved with the Outsider side of things or else would be doing the exact opposite.
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Now, I've never thought it was entirely uninvolved... I see it as these Old Gods who are slowly being phased out of reality attempting to find new purchase here under a new identity. They are dead but as long as they are not forgotten entirely they can attempt a breach under new identity and power, same Old consciousness though.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on June 21, 2018, 04:25:43 PM ---Now, I've never thought it was entirely uninvolved... I see it as these Old Gods who are slowly being phased out of reality attempting to find new purchase here under a new identity. They are dead but as long as they are not forgotten entirely they can attempt a breach under new identity and power, same Old consciousness though.
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So how then does that Oblivion War actually benefit their efforts to get back in, or wake them? If they are affected by threat of Oblivion* then it would be a thing actively working to prevent their return, not facilitate it.
*The other possibility being that the Oblivion War only targets creatures native to the NeverNever who still have to play by the rules, but not true Outsiders that seem equally willing to just smash there way in as to be Known/Invited by the inside residents.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 21, 2018, 05:33:15 PM ---So how then does that Oblivion War actually benefit their efforts to get back in, or wake them? If they are affected by threat of Oblivion* then it would be a thing actively working to prevent their return, not facilitate it.
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exactly though, I think the only thing that can truly prevent their return is total Oblivion. The Oblivion war was more or less orchestrated by the Original Merlin if he's responsible for the Archive and therefore her venators. The war was started by us.
--- Quote ---*The other possibility being that the Oblivion War only targets creatures native to the NeverNever who still have to play by the rules, but not true Outsiders that seem equally willing to just smash there way in as to be Known/Invited by the inside residents.
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Not sure why that would be? An you notice, all Outsiders are getting in specifically by invitation via mortal, even if that's a subconscious invitation to slowly replace them. They aren't smashing anything at this point btw, willing though they may be, they so far just can't. Cosmic Law mayhaps...
kazimmoinuddin:
While demonreach is an epic prison, I have to think there is an additional purpose for the system.
Those epic beings currently contained in the world would be targets to freed. While bad, they could then be sent into the Well. For more secure imprisonment, enduring less influence on the world.
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