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groinkick:
So was Mouses brother Nemesis infected, or was it a clue about what Nemesis is?  He was able to manipulate the Beings possessing the children into violating the laws before Mouse intervened with his Breath...  So I'm not sure if his brother is Nemfected, or if he was darkside, and displaying the ability to mimic Nemesis...  Could Nemesis just be an evil Celestial Being? 

Quantus:

--- Quote from: groinkick on June 11, 2018, 06:45:35 PM ---So was Mouses brother Nemesis infected, or was it a clue about what Nemesis is?  He was able to manipulate the Beings possessing the children into violating the laws before Mouse intervened with his Breath...  So I'm not sure if his brother is Nemfected, or if he was darkside, and displaying the ability to mimic Nemesis...  Could Nemesis just be an evil Celestial Being?

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Ask that another way:  Could TWG be just a benevolent Outsider?

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Quantus on June 11, 2018, 06:49:22 PM ---Ask that another way:  Could TWG be just a benevolent Outsider?

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hmmm.  I'd guess if it was going to be done that way then the Old Ones would be like Fallen on a larger scale.  Like you have TWG/Old Ones on equal terms, and the Old Ones fell and became completely twisted.

however I don't believe they are equal in power.  The reason being that Jim said TWG locked them out (Outsiders), and they can only come in because of the free will of humans.  If they were on equal terms I don't know if TWG could banish them away.

Quantus:

--- Quote from: groinkick on June 11, 2018, 07:19:25 PM ---hmmm.  I'd guess if it was going to be done that way then the Old Ones would be like Fallen on a larger scale.  Like you have TWG/Old Ones on equal terms, and the Old Ones fell and became completely twisted.

however I don't believe they are equal in power.  The reason being that Jim said TWG locked them out (Outsiders), and they can only come in because of the free will of humans. If they were on equal terms I don't know if TWG could banish them away.

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Aha, I have an answer for that one:  This is TWG's Home, so s/he gets to decide who can and cannot come in, the same way that only Micky Malone's wife could invite anyone into her house.  We Souled Mortals bugger things up by also being able to Invite things Inside, in the same way a small child can be tricked into giving an Invitation.  So TWG would be no more or less equal than their Outsider equivalents, s/he is just the Current Owner/Resident of the Multiverse.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Quantus on June 11, 2018, 07:30:14 PM ---Aha, I have an answer for that one:  This is TWG's Home, so s/he gets to decide who can and cannot come in, the same way that only Micky Malone's wife could invite anyone into her house.  We Souled Mortals bugger things up by also being able to Invite things Inside, in the same way a small child can be tricked into giving an Invitation.  So TWG would be no more or less equal than their Outsider equivalents, s/he is just the Current Owner/Resident of the Multiverse.

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Yeah I don't know.  I guess it actually comes to a philosophical question that I don't know Jim will answer in the stories.  Did TWG come into existence via the Universe (A materialistic, evolutionary Being), or did TWG actually create Creation, and is in fact an eternal Being that didn't come into existence but has always existed.

The next step would be if the Old Ones came into existence (same as a materialistic God), have always existed (like an eternal God), or were creations of TWG.

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