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whitelaughter:
OK, *lots* to deal with!
1) Sunset - yeah, I was wondering about that: sunrise, noon and midnight all covered, it made sense that this would also end certain enchantments. Given the religious 'day' in Judaism etc starts at Dusk, I was thinking that Theurgic enchantments would end then.
2) Is it specified that only the owner can let someone in? Because we are all *residents*. Further, for purposes of ownership, scripturally the planet was given to Man in Genesis, so even if some Power is needed for the invite, Bless This House should be sufficient, as the character has faith that yes, they do own the world/day. (Oh, to pre-empt a quibble, time/space used interchangably in scripture, thus the English word 'world' may be translating either 'Kosmos' or 'Eon').
3) Dawn gets tricky because it is both a threshold *and* the beginning of sunlight, and sunlight hurts enchantments. That would be why it is the most obvious.
4) Do we have info on whether crossing a threshold destroys enchantments? Because IIRC Dresden has an enchantment that he can't even take out of his house.
Taran:
2) depends on your theology.
Was it given so that we could use it however we want or were we simply made Stewards?
At least from a Christian standpoint because different sects of Christianity believe different things.
From what I can tell, the Dresdenverse doesn’t really state who/what created reality so the book of Genesis might not be an accurate source of information.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Taran on June 15, 2018, 04:04:37 AM ---2) depends on your theology.
Was it given so that we could use it however we want or were we simply made Stewards?
At least from a Christian standpoint because different sects of Christianity believe different things.
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Only an owner can let somebody in a house. Only Mortal Magic can allow Outsiders In... There are lesser and greater thresholds and degrees of ownership in play.
I wonder if there are intermediate Thresholds based on other man-made and/or conceptual dividing lines, like National Borders? Could you anchor Nation-wide Wards?
--- Quote ---From what I can tell, the Dresdenverse doesn’t really state who/what created reality so the book of Genesis might not be an accurate source of information.
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Closest pair of WOJ datapoints on that I have is A) Angels do in fact predate time itself, B) Uriel is a "Executive VP of Creation". The meaning of B can change things wildly depending on if you consider it a Noun or a Verb.
whitelaughter:
--- Quote from: Quantus on June 15, 2018, 11:48:39 AM ---Only an owner can let somebody in a house. Only Mortal Magic can allow Outsiders In... There are lesser and greater thresholds and degrees of ownership in play.
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Nice catch, that does indicate that Mortals own reality. (Assuming that yes, only owners can let someone in; again, is that stated somewhere?)
Hmm, implication then that Lawbreaker is partly a defence mechanism for reality; anyone who willing to let Outsiders in picks up Lawbreaker and so likely goes zero refresh...preventing them from bringing in more Outsiders.
--- Quote from: Taran on June 15, 2018, 04:04:37 AM ---2) depends on your theology.
Was it given so that we could use it however we want or were we simply made Stewards?
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Interesting theologically but irrelevant in practice, as having stewardship rights is sufficient - note that Dresden does not need to own his home, renting is sufficient to grant a Threshold. While it might not be as strong as if he owned it, when the subject comes up, ownership is never mentioned, instead his family life gets criticised. And note that even if he owned it, that wouldn't give him the right to set fire to the building or otherwise endanger the surrounding city, so he'd still have stewardship limitations without it causing limits on his threshold.
Going on a tangent, that raises the possibility of using Scholarship to get a Threshold in weird situations. The right govt permit could create a region with a threshold, frex by having the right to pitch a circus tent in a park (perhaps to prevent monsters from breaking out from underneath). I used to work in security, and the legal rules on what can and cannot be done are stronger and weirder than in Dresdenverse magic - to the level of the police would get security to do thing they could not, but taking a step out of the region we were agents of (not employees, the legal status is again special) meant having no powers what so ever.
Burial at sea btw requires special legal authorization, so the ghost of someone buried at sea might have a *vast* graveyard - possibly an inworld reason why ghost stories are common at sea.
Taran:
So, just curious but what is the point of the discussion? Is it just a philosophical discussion or are you hoping to implement it in game?
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