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Fist full of Warlocks spoilers Possible clue about Cowl?
Kindler:
--- Quote from: peregrine on June 07, 2018, 09:57:28 PM ---Also, "What I told you was the truth from a certain point of view" is another way of saying "I lied but don't like it when you call me out on my lies."
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Yeah, that was because of a retcon. Vader wasn't supposed to be Luke's dad in A New Hope; Lucas didn't figure that out until Empire. Funny enough, Mark Hammil didn't know what Vader was saying (since James Earl Jones only did voice work; it was a guy with a hilarious Scottish accent in the mask [fun source] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSm9DDxQv8E), and when actually filming the "I am your father" scene, the dialogue was totally different. Hammil didn't find out what was going on until he saw the voiced cut, and he was pissed, because his acting didn't fit the dialogue because of it.
Anyway, Lucas needed to explain the line from A New Hope, and in doing so, turned Obi Wan into a jerk and named a Trope about annoying metaphorical truths: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MetaphoricallyTrue?from=Main.FromACertainPointOfView
SerScot:
groinkick
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 07, 2018, 06:16:14 PM ---"the guy" is Obi Wan Kenobi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgpytjlW5wU
Lacking Star Wars fans the forum is.
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Indeed. Obi Wan's statement was a perfect example of Oxymoronic Irony.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: SerScot on June 08, 2018, 03:08:28 PM ---groinkick
Indeed. Obi Wan's statement was a perfect example of Oxymoronic Irony.
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Actually it wasn't. It's all in the language. If he had said "Only the Sith think in absolutes", or "Only the Sith believe in absolutes", or "Only the Sith speak in absolutes" then it would be very accurate. However he said "Only Sith deal in absolutes". He's speaking about external actions towards others. Anakin had just said "You are either with me, or against me" (Translation Join me or die). Another example was Darth Vader speaking about Luke "The boy will join us, or die", Palpatine to Luke "If you will not turn, you will be destroyed". These is the absolutes Obi Wan was talking about.
This was a great video explaining it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH10DQstVt4
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Kindler on June 06, 2018, 08:08:37 PM ---Agreed that the scars are an important detail and probably a clue about Cowl's identity, I just don't think he's Kemmler. And recall the conversation he has with Harry, where he states, "I don't perceive myself to be mad." So he spits on Kemmler's name and calls him a madman, then later claims he doesn't think he, himself, is insane.
Only possibility I can see is Cowl not realizing that he was Kemmler; too many bodyswaps left his personality in flux until he became Cowl, and perceived Kemmler as a wholly different, and abhorrent, entity.
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That thought occurred to me, it might be Cowl's way of saying, "I'm not Kemmler anymore." Also, that would explain why Cowl needed Bob's help to do the Darkhallow, while Kemmler would presumably already know how to do it. If somebody mind-blasted Kemmler at some point, so big chunks of his personality changed and his knowledge base got scrambled, that could explain a few things. Also, like Bob, the real Kemmler might 'hiding' behind Cowl, waiting to come out again when the surface persona finishes its work.
What could mind-scramble him? Well, apparently the White Council really, really, really killed Kemmler in 1961, several times. Even if he could come back from that, it might explain why his mind is all out of whack.
I'm not saying I think it's true, but I can't rule it out.
As for scars and the magical healing, I can think of possibilities that could prevent it, or maybe make the scars follow him from body to body. Nothing definite, just possibilities.
I think Jamie and Adam would rate the 'Cowl=Kemmler' theory as 'possible but very improbable.'
peregrine:
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 08, 2018, 05:54:12 PM ---Actually it wasn't. It's all in the language. If he had said "Only the Sith think in absolutes", or "Only the Sith believe in absolutes", or "Only the Sith speak in absolutes" then it would be very accurate. However he said "Only Sith deal in absolutes". He's speaking about external actions towards others. Anakin had just said "You are either with me, or against me" (Translation Join me or die). Another example was Darth Vader speaking about Luke "The boy will join us, or die", Palpatine to Luke "If you will not turn, you will be destroyed". These is the absolutes Obi Wan was talking about.
This was a great video explaining it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH10DQstVt4
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Does this same person also have a video that describes how the Kessel Run being done in 12 parsecs actually makes sense?
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