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Saints
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on June 02, 2018, 06:38:56 PM ---Rashid wasn't influenced because he wasn't there. In Steed's words: He's he only other wizard here that we see less than you.
Besides, I doubt his religious beliefs can accommodate saints.
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Islam has Saints, too. They're called Wali.
Fcrate:
Not really. Wali means a loyal to -in this context- God pious man, anyone can be a Wali, but it's not any sort of official position, immunity or power.
While some may equate a Wali to a saint, they're not the same.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on June 02, 2018, 07:55:54 PM ---Not really. Wali means a loyal to -in this context- God pious man, anyone can be a Wali, but it's not any sort of official position, immunity or power.
While some may equate a Wali to a saint, they're not the same.
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Well this is the Dresdenverse. Jim pretty much laid out what a Saint was. A wizard who also happens to have devout faith. Didn't say the person needs to be a Christian. Just like a KoTC that is an Atheist or Jewish.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on June 02, 2018, 07:55:54 PM ---Not really. Wali means a loyal to -in this context- God pious man, anyone can be a Wali, but it's not any sort of official position, immunity or power.
While some may equate a Wali to a saint, they're not the same.
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According to Wikipedia (my source on the subject, so forgive my ignorance if I'm misunderstanding) Wali are Islamic saints, which "In the traditional Islamic understanding of saints, the saint is portrayed as someone "marked by [special] divine favor ... [and] holiness", and who is specifically "chosen by God and endowed with exceptional gifts, such as the ability to work miracles"."
Fcrate:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on June 02, 2018, 08:04:05 PM ---According to Wikipedia (my source on the subject, so forgive my ignorance if I'm misunderstanding) Wali are Islamic saints, which "In the traditional Islamic understanding of saints, the saint is portrayed as someone "marked by [special] divine favor ... [and] holiness", and who is specifically "chosen by God and endowed with exceptional gifts, such as the ability to work miracles"."
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That's fine, it's a common misconception even among the Muslims. Mostly only superstitious folks actually believe in that. Maybe the Sofi's too. As per book, there's no such thing as a saint/special powers, and miracles can only be performed by God. Now, a true believer can ask God's help, pray for it, even demand it, and it will come, it doesn't make it a miracle.
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 02, 2018, 08:02:01 PM ---Well this is the Dresdenverse. Jim pretty much laid out what a Saint was. A wizard who also happens to have devout faith. Didn't say the person needs to be a Christian. Just like a KoTC that is an Atheist or Jewish.
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Now that makes sense :D
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