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AI and Magic
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 15, 2018, 03:06:11 PM ---Regarding Ivy, as I understand things even if the Archive didnt innately grant Magic on it's own, Ivy was born to a actively magic-using lineage going back most of Human History, so I think it is all but inevitable that said Bloodline would have developed/mutated Magical capabilities through chronic exposure.
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I'm mostly thinking about Ivy's magic use as an exponentially greater example of Victor Sells. He didn't really have all that much power, fueling his stuff with rituals and thunderstorms, but he was able to do enough research to do some reasonably powerful things. If he was as smart as Butters, with a teacher like Bob, I think he might've been able to do quite a lot. With no magic, Butters was able to mix potions and make mind fog bombs. I don't know if Bob was powering the skateboard, but I doubt he had anything to do with those other two things.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Kindler on May 16, 2018, 01:55:18 PM ---I'm mostly thinking about Ivy's magic use as an exponentially greater example of Victor Sells. He didn't really have all that much power, fueling his stuff with rituals and thunderstorms, but he was able to do enough research to do some reasonably powerful things. If he was as smart as Butters, with a teacher like Bob, I think he might've been able to do quite a lot. With no magic, Butters was able to mix potions and make mind fog bombs. I don't know if Bob was powering the skateboard, but I doubt he had anything to do with those other two things.
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He didnt get his power boosts from research or learning, he made a Bargain with something to Grant him power, this was the main distinction between a real wizard and a warlock "hack"
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 15, 2018, 08:47:33 PM ---We've seen where a toy marketing campaign was enough to create a new Monster, which is the same general process Im picturing here.
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Belief created a monster... That's not AI. Even if Belief created some sort of Robot, it would be some sort of spiritually created robot. Not a computer programmed machine. If that did happen the spirit/robot thing would be completely limited by the Belief that created it. So unless the Believers were thinking about a magic casting robot it would not have access to magic.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on May 16, 2018, 06:51:02 PM ---Belief created a monster... That's not AI. Even if Belief created some sort of Robot, it would be some sort of spiritually created robot. Not a computer programmed machine. If that did happen the spirit/robot thing would be completely limited by the Belief that created it. So unless the Believers were thinking about a magic casting robot it would not have access to magic.
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Why would the scientists need to understand the literal magical underpinnings to utilize this universal mechanic, but the children did not?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 16, 2018, 06:53:10 PM ---Why would the scientists need to understand the literal magical underpinnings to utilize this universal mechanic, but the children did not?
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When something is created by Belief, the thing created is limited by what the exact Belief was. The topic is about could AI use magic. So if AI was created via Belief, the Belief would have to include that the AI could utilize magic. If it's just a Robot entity created via Belief then it would be a robot that acted like a robot, and nothing more.
If a deity gains the power of lightning because the Belief was he could use lightning, he cannot start throwing around fire because that wasn't part of the Belief.
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