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AI and Magic
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on May 15, 2018, 03:37:43 AM ---Dresdenverse magic has been presented as being beholden to the laws of physics. If magic is an energy field, an AI might be able to figure out how to access it artificially.
Ultron's a good example, but I'd say it'd likely be more like Vision. There'd probably need to be a catalyst (magical version of the mind stone) to gain sentience, at least within the timeline of the series. A SoI could be that catalyst, or a magical being that could create a SoI with a machine on the cusp of sentience.
Still, a long shot, and likely something we'd never see.
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After reading Day One, Im not actually sure about that. It features a monster that is based on an 80's toy, and Harry said the cumulative emotions surrounding the toy line (thanks largely to the intensity of Children's emotions) might have been enough to either Create a new Spirit or Call one that existed and needed a connection to the Human World to stay there. If that's enough without any direct catalyst or conscious Intent, the group striving to create an actual "Question what is Alive" AI could well do it, and if not the global fallout if they announced Success could likely pull it off after the fact (though that /would/ require conscious intent I suppose)
WereElephant:
Follow up: What kind of Will (or lack thereof) would a magical AI have?
Non-mortal magical entities are typically described as not having Free Will. Bob, for example, needs to be compelled by a master in order to act toward an objective. Thus, a Spirit of Intellect based AI would seemingly not be able to do squat without a master/host. However, computers don't necessarily work that way. Turn on a roomba, and it will clean a floor of its own volition. That's all it will do, and it can't respond to changing circumstances well, but apart from being turned on, it doesn't require commands. Would a magical AI be similar? It wouldn't have Free Will in the sense that mortals do, but it would be able to act of its own Limited Will provided all actions taken were based on a programmed imperative.
Again, I realize this is extremely unlikely to come up, but I find the speculation in this thread interesting.
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--- Quote from: WereElephant on May 15, 2018, 01:17:21 PM ---Follow up: What kind of Will (or lack thereof) would a magical AI have?
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Same as any other sentient, non-mortal creature. It would not be able to act outside of its fundamental design and/or purpose without outside intervention, and would have a stable Name, but would still be as Sentient as the Fae.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on May 15, 2018, 03:37:43 AM ---Ultron's a good example, but I'd say it'd likely be more like Vision. There'd probably need to be a catalyst (magical version of the mind stone) to gain sentience, at least within the timeline of the series. A SoI could be that catalyst, or a magical being that could create a SoI with a machine on the cusp of sentience.
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I should've been more specific; I did mean Vision in Age of Ultron. Pretty much exactly how I see something like this going; a Spirit of Intellect is transmuted into something grander than itself. Sufficiently advanced magic becoming indistinguishable from technology. :)
As far as whether or not an AI could use magic, I'd mention Ivy (cautiously). I don't know if Ivy was born a wizard, if her mantle grants her access to magic, or if she simply knows so much that she is able to use magic without any innate sensitivity to it. If it's the third option, then I'd hazard a guess that a sufficiently knowledgeable AI could pull something off if it attained sentience, consciousness, and a measure of free will.
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--- Quote from: Kindler on May 15, 2018, 02:19:18 PM ---I should've been more specific; I did mean Vision in Age of Ultron. Pretty much exactly how I see something like this going; a Spirit of Intellect is transmuted into something grander than itself. Sufficiently advanced magic becoming indistinguishable from technology. :)
As far as whether or not an AI could use magic, I'd mention Ivy (cautiously). I don't know if Ivy was born a wizard, if her mantle grants her access to magic, or if she simply knows so much that she is able to use magic without any innate sensitivity to it. If it's the third option, then I'd hazard a guess that a sufficiently knowledgeable AI could pull something off if it attained sentience, consciousness, and a measure of free will.
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Regarding Ivy, as I understand things even if the Archive didnt innately grant Magic on it's own, Ivy was born to a actively magic-using lineage going back most of Human History, so I think it is all but inevitable that said Bloodline would have developed/mutated Magical capabilities through chronic exposure.
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