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Arthurian Myths in Dresden Files
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 10, 2018, 11:26:33 AM ---There's also the DV detail that Ammorachius is the only Sword that has not been periodically remade/reforged, and also is the one we know was previously in the keeping of a ridiculously powerful wizard.
I suspect a reforging of the Blades will happen, and the "How did Merlin do It?" question will be important.
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Do you think Merlin forged the Swords, or reforged them? As far as I can remember, he only had one, but that was just Harry talking tough.
I tend to think that it was a human who made the Swords the first time, not the Host. Pretty sure it being an act of free will is an important part of their integrity. All of this is to ask: who forged them in the first place?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: raidem on May 10, 2018, 01:30:25 PM ---My Wags don't do that. Their identities are of rather modern origin, at least as far as Murphy though Ms. Duck argues for Molly. :)
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"Modern"? Not sure the Future counts as "modern" ;)
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Kindler on May 10, 2018, 01:42:09 PM ---Do you think Merlin forged the Swords, or reforged them? As far as I can remember, he only had one, but that was just Harry talking tough.
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Reforged, and just Ammorachius. And nit-pick but it was Michael talking, so slightly less fallible a source where the Swords are concerned.
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I tend to think that it was a human who made the Swords the first time, not the Host. Pretty sure it being an act of free will is an important part of their integrity. All of this is to ask: who forged them in the first place?
[/quote]I doubt it, since the power of the Swords even predated the Crucifixion itself. I think they are more or less Object Mantles, Powerful embodiment of their given Abstract concept, much like living mantles. It's why the Faith part was so much more important than the Sword part, and how it could be Kusanagi way back in BC times.
Fcrate:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 10, 2018, 02:28:33 PM ---I doubt it, since the power of the Swords even predated the Crucifixion itself. I think they are more or less Object Mantles, Powerful embodiment of their given Abstract concept, much like living mantles. It's why the Faith part was so much more important than the Sword part, and how it could be Kusanagi way back in BC times.
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The Swords have the nails from the Crucifix in them but the actually predate the Crucifixion?
Also, they're a conduit to TWG's power.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Fcrate on May 10, 2018, 02:44:44 PM ---The Swords have the nails from the Crucifix in them but the actually predate the Crucifixion?
Also, they're a conduit to TWG's power.
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Yup. Kusanagi, which per the ghosts in GS is another name for Fidelacchius, is a myth that long predates the Crucifixion. I personally think that the only thing special about Ammorachius in terms of a reforging that Merlin did something to make it a far more durable container for the Sword-mantle than it had previously been able to find/manifest.
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How can Kusanagi be a Sword of the Cross when it predates the crucifixion?
Because the Swords are ideas and symbols as much as they are physical objects–maybe even more so. Kusanagi isn’t the original Kusanagi, Exaclibur isn’t the original Excalibur, etc. But their title, their /idea/ has been passed down from one generation to the next, much as the names of warships are passed down to the next generation of ships, with the new ship inheriting the titles, victories, and traditions of its forbears. The nails are passed on from one sword to the next, bringing bits of the metal of each sword that came before
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