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jonas:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on May 15, 2018, 03:55:07 AM ---That's all an interpretation, and one that makes sense. But it's not fact. For the Norse pantheon, there's only one apocalypse (Ragnarok) that calls for the deaths of Odin and Loki and Thor, at least two of which are still alive regardless of the theory.
Now, if you wanted to argue that the series is in the middle of Ragnarok, and Aldar Rok has passed but Tiva Rok hasn't, it might make things more plausible. I don't know the specifics of the series of events, but maybe it's possible.
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*thinking man pose* Do we have any other thing for history and mythology..?
jonas:
Simple words is Time loop btw. Everything is on a time loop, it's what a gyre is. Everything that's happening has happened before and will again, Will continue to for as long as existence is a thing in the DF verse.
It's also where Jim tied Arthur into it, the extra proof for the queens descending from Arthurian mythos, is why he has the queens labeled such. Comparatively to the Once and Future King, The one who is, is a place holder because as we know neither are the originals but changed hands close to when the gyre rotated in the middle, the twisting of what is.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: jonas on May 14, 2018, 02:39:30 PM ---Many Ragnaroks have happened, or at least one I can evidence, Going back to Bob's original explanation of the queens whom used to be. They don't exist on our plain, can't anymore. Because they are primal spirits of what was, they are literally the Ghosts of a previous epoch.
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I don't see the link. For starters, different pantheons. Also, I'm not convinced the Mothers are utterly incapable of visiting Earth. They certainly don't do it regularly, but that could be chalked up to them not wanting to warp reality, or Mother Winter not wanting to travel without her "walking stick" and Mother Summer refraining from doing so for the sake of balance.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on May 14, 2018, 03:23:58 AM ---You're assuming that Ragnarok already occurred, but WoJ is that Loki is still locked up. Ergo, he's still alive, rather than being dead like he's supposed to be after Ragnarok. Everything points to Ragnarok not having occurred yet.
Again, what sources material? I haven't found many translated texts.
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Ragnarok isn't Odin supposed to die as well? Last I checked he was running around kicking ass and taking names.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: groinkick on May 15, 2018, 08:15:18 PM ---Ragnarok isn't Odin supposed to die as well? Last I checked he was running around kicking ass and taking names.
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Everyone dies according to the myths, with the exception of a pair of characters (literally named Life and Lover of Life) whose only significance is that they will survive by hiding is a specific forrest (called Hoddmímis Holt). Loki, Heimdall, Odin, Thor, Frey & Freya, Surtur... That's the whole point: unlike The Apocalypse which (literally by translation) is about some big Revelation, Ragnarok is "The Twilight of the Gods" as in the process and event by which they all End.
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