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Supernatural Nations you'd like to see.
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--- Quote from: dspringer1 on May 07, 2018, 06:03:53 PM ---I think the series is long overdue for some participation by a supernatural nation associated with Native Americans. I get why it is unlikely. If these supernatural critters need some strong measure of belief to "maintain the connection" like the Summer and Winter courts need, then the fact that very few Native Americans survived into the 20th century probably banished most native supernaturals to the deeper areas of the never never.
The one exception is the red court, which really is a native American based supernatural nation as it was originally associated with the Azteks and like nations in central America. I suspect that it was the massive loss of life and Christianization of natives that allowed the Red Court to spread and grow into such a great supernatural power as the competing powers were swept away or banished.
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There are some WOJs that make me think the lines of Importance arent always that literal. For example, there's one that you says you couldnt truly Oblivionate(?) the Creator, because somebody would always ask themselves Where did this all Come From, and that would be enough of a link to the appropriate entity. Similarly I think the Fae Courts are somewhat insulated by being so directly intertwined with the Seasons and the Natural Order, such that even if the human population stops believing in the literal existence of Fairies, they still believe in the Seasons and so the Fae will always have at least a small Link to Reality. Which I do not think is a coincidence, I believe such a solid foundation is required to adequately Guard the Gates.
So in the case of Native American entities, they'd all be more naturalistic in general, and I theorize that being so in tune with the natural world would help them survive beyond the loss of literal worship. I mean, people may not believe in a literally walking talking Trickster God, but they do still believe in Clever Coyotes. Maybe that is enough?
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Oh, to the OP:
I want to see more of the offshoot humanoid races and society, especially since they count as Human enough for a Coin, but are wildly removed from mortal culture. I really want to see cultures, Multiple cultures for a whole host of off-shoots. Give me a Council of the Wildfolk that includes an uneasy alliance between Forrest People, Rock People, Ice People (yeti), and even some sort of scaled Water People (merfolk? atlanteans?)
Avernite:
--- Quote from: Quantus on May 07, 2018, 08:47:45 PM ---So in the case of Native American entities, they'd all be more naturalistic in general, and I theorize that being so in tune with the natural world would help them survive beyond the loss of literal worship. I mean, people may not believe in a literally walking talking Trickster God, but they do still believe in Clever Coyotes. Maybe that is enough?
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If it's that abstract, it may be enough but wouldn't necessarily be a specific Native American personification; Kringle/Odin/Santa are all powered by some of the same belief, and so there'd hardly be space for Native-Santa to be his own thing; he'd just be another mask of the same being.
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--- Quote from: Avernite on May 10, 2018, 08:53:04 AM ---If it's that abstract, it may be enough but wouldn't necessarily be a specific Native American personification; Kringle/Odin/Santa are all powered by some of the same belief, and so there'd hardly be space for Native-Santa to be his own thing; he'd just be another mask of the same being.
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I disagree, on the basis that Odin and Santa ARE different beings, they just happen to be sharing the same host body/intellect at the moment. Santa and Odin ARE the masks, and it is only circumstance (and presumably skill and planning) that has kept them together this long. I would assume they'd have different Inheritance patterns, and would go to different hosts should the current one be killed, for example. Santa would almost certainly go to an elf or some fae/changeling, while Odin would more likely go to one of the remaining Aesir.
Griffyn612:
Meh. I'm not as convinced that Odin is a mask or mantle.
And i don't think that Santa Claus was a naturally occurring mantle; I think it was constructed specifically for Odin to keep him involved after the handover of the Guardianship.
As for the "native santa", maybe the Kringle mantle was built to incorporate "Handsome Fellow" into itself, but I don't think there's any faith to be had from that. Not much faith in Kringle, for that matter.
And I do think that there are different entities for different pantheons. I don't think that the Hopi's Eototo Kachina is the same as Odin. Both are the father figures in their pantheons, but they're not the same. Angwusnasomtaka has some parallels to the Mothers, or Gaia if they're not her, but I don't think they're necessarily the same entities.
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