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Cowl is Justin reboot
raidem:
I don't think Elaine is under cowl or Justin control now.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: raidem on April 28, 2018, 03:26:10 AM ---I don't think Elaine is under cowl or Justin control now.
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Tough to tell... She hasn't had much face time in the books, and she is somewhat mysterious. Harry thought she was dead for a long time... She was completely off the grid. The Council doesn't know about her, Harry doesn't really know much about her, and neither do we.
Fcrate:
--- Quote from: groinkick on April 28, 2018, 06:39:16 PM ---Tough to tell... She hasn't had much face time in the books, and she is somewhat mysterious. Harry thought she was dead for a long time... She was completely off the grid. The Council doesn't know about her, Harry doesn't really know much about her, and neither do we.
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If she were Nemfected/Under Cowl or Justin's control, why would she save Harry and then give him a chance to disrupt Aurora's greenpeaceageddon? Doesn't make sense to me.
She also openly admitted to Harry at the beginning of Summer Knight that she was Justin's thrall. That would be counterproductive as Harry had no reason to suspect it to begin with. I agree with raidem, she's not under any known influence now.
raidem:
Well if Justin is alive, then we now have a person who likely is responsible for the Red's successful assault on Archangel. One of the reasons Harry was suspected of being behind Simon's downfall was that he was Simon's apprentice-apprentice. So, the logic goes Justin would have taught Harry secret knowledge about how Simon may have created his wards. When we read Summer Knight, we then get exposed to the second apprentice of Justin who could feasibly have been taught but that is a stretch too. The speculation on Justin's apprentices ability to even be able compromise Archangels defenses need not see the light of day if Justin is alive. So, if he is alive then we must take into consideration that he assaulted or provided secret knowledge to the Reds in their assault on Archangel.
This actually makes sense now. Justin or (Cowl) made a deal with the Reds to compromise Archangel in getting their support to divert White Council attention during Dead Beat. This would help him out during Dead Beat so as to get him to ascend to Godhood. And then like the novels say, the new god could destroy the wards protecting the senior council.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: raidem on April 29, 2018, 03:54:37 AM ---Well if Justin is alive, then we now have a person who likely is responsible for the Red's successful assault on Archangel. One of the reasons Harry was suspected of being behind Simon's downfall was that he was Simon's apprentice-apprentice. So, the logic goes Justin would have taught Harry secret knowledge about how Simon may have created his wards. When we read Summer Knight, we then get exposed to the second apprentice of Justin who could feasibly have been taught but that is a stretch too. The speculation on Justin's apprentices ability to even be able compromise Archangels defenses need not see the light of day if Justin is alive. So, if he is alive then we must take into consideration that he assaulted or provided secret knowledge to the Reds in their assault on Archangel.
This actually makes sense now. Justin or (Cowl) made a deal with the Reds to compromise Archangel in getting their support to divert White Council attention during Dead Beat. This would help him out during Dead Beat so as to get him to ascend to Godhood. And then like the novels say, the new god could destroy the wards protecting the senior council.
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