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Theory question KoTC killing Immortals/Mantles
knnn:
I had this WAG at some point that the Swords could actually "swallow" the power of a mantel (possibly part of the reason why they are so powerful -- they "ate" a bunch of powerful beings). I don't remember any of the evidence for this, but it couldn't have been more than tenuous or I would remember more.
Lost Merlin:
--- Quote from: knnn on April 16, 2018, 03:00:31 AM ---I had this WAG at some point that the Swords could actually "swallow" the power of a mantel (possibly part of the reason why they are so powerful -- they "ate" a bunch of powerful beings). I don't remember any of the evidence for this, but it couldn't have been more than tenuous or I would remember more.
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I have issues with this even though its a WAG. In the Dresden verse we have evidence that says you are what you eat. I cannot imagine that TWG or TWC would allow deamon power to be absorbed by the swords.
I like the general premise that they can kill a mantled being, but I don't think it does anything to the Mantle itself. But the depending on the Mantle wouldn't it just regenerate the mantled beings body.
WereElephant:
--- Quote --- I don't think Dragons and demons have mantles that are meant to pass on after they die.
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Concurred. Otherwise, the number of semi-divine entities controlling whatever it is the Dragons control would remain the same. WOJ is they've been reduced, based on only a few Dragons remaining, and no talk of replacements in the same kind.
--- Quote --- I have issues with this even though its a WAG. In the Dresden verse we have evidence that says you are what you eat. I cannot imagine that TWG or TWC would allow deamon power to be absorbed by the swords.
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Demon or Fallen? Demons in the DF are basically Wyld Fae animals, from what I understand. Their power, were it swallowed, wouldn't be inherently evil. Fallen power, while corrupted, would originally have come from TWG, so a sword swallowing that would basically be reclaiming and untainting Heaven's power. Not saying I buy the Sword-Devours-Power theory, but I could see it having a "purging" influence, so to speak.
--- Quote --- If either of the Queens or Mothers were to become infected, we'd probably see a mission from On High.
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Dunno about the Queens. Maeve was a Lady, and no Heaven sanctioned mission was sent that we know of. Now if Mother Winter were nemfected, I could see that kicking off multiple Armageddons and a Ragnarok.
Lost Merlin:
--- Quote from: WereElephant on April 16, 2018, 02:08:01 PM ---
Demon or Fallen? Demons in the DF are basically Wyld Fae animals, from what I understand. Their power, were it swallowed, wouldn't be inherently evil. Fallen power, while corrupted, would originally have come from TWG, so a sword swallowing that would basically be reclaiming and untainting Heaven's power. Not saying I buy the Sword-Devours-Power theory, but I could see it having a "purging" influence, so to speak.
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I don't know that I would classify Demons as being just like Wyld Fae. Demons are there to hurt and enslave to me that is inherently evil. Even Chauncy who has been polite a was still just playing the long game to get Harry over a barrel and see if he could pull him down. Demons have shown real power in the books. Whether you look at the one in storm front or the one Kravos summoned before GP.
WereElephant:
--- Quote from: Lost Merlin on April 16, 2018, 02:30:03 PM ---I don't know that I would classify Demons as being just like Wyld Fae. Demons are there to hurt and enslave to me that is inherently evil. Even Chauncy who has been polite a was still just playing the long game to get Harry over a barrel and see if he could pull him down. Demons have shown real power in the books. Whether you look at the one in storm front or the one Kravos summoned before GP.
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There are types of wasp that capture prey, paralyze it, and lay their eggs in it. The eggs will hatch, and the larvae will devour the host. Is the wasp evil? My impression is that demons like Kalshazzak (the one summoned by Sells in Storm Front) are similar - the spiritual equivalent of wild predators and parasites.
Chauncy was different. He was an intelligent demon (apparently not a Fallen) in the employ of Hell. How that works, I'm uncertain. Does Lucifer look across the so-called wild demons and recruit ones he likes? Or is there a separate class of demon that is intelligent, and therefore, truly a creature of evil nature?
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