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Which Denarian Coin would you choose?
WereElephant:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on April 09, 2018, 05:26:38 PM ---(A) Unlike others, I'm assuming I'm going to be a bad guy when taking up a coin. I'm going to do despicable things, to some degree or another. But I'd bargain the shared agenda. For every big evil plot, I get to met out some Griff-style justice to those I deem deserving. Which would presumably add to the fearful chaos that Denarians draw power from.
(B) Immortality, yes. It's just one of the benefits in general, along with hellfire. But I'm not presuming that the other Denarians can bestow magical ability when it doesn't pre-exist. I figure Namshiel prefers hosts with magical ability. So (potentially wrongfully) assuming that, then we already have some magical ability. That means I don't *need* the Denarians to teach me; I just need to learn how. Or I work with one of the Denarians that *can* teach magic. Just talk to Namshiel's host, and in return for some pointers, I'll help him raid a village or something.
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(A) Fair. That's a different approach than I took.
(B) From what I recall, anyone can use magic in the Dresdenverse, it's just a matter of capacity. Vanilla mortals don't have enough capacity to do anything like a spell, but they can raise circles. Uncertain if angels/fallen could bestow an increase in magical capacity or not, or even if they would to. Interesting thought, though.
WereElephant:
--- Quote from: groinkick on April 09, 2018, 07:20:41 PM ---I don't know if it's possible but a vampire/Coin hybrid could be pretty awesome. Red Court or Black Court sporting Deirdre's Coin.
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White Court I could definitely see.
Red Court...unknown. Half-turned reds like the Fellowship, Susan, and Martin, I bet could do it.
Black Court, I'm guessing not, though that's pure speculation based on them being dead, and thereby not suitable as vessels with living Wills.
Jade Court - no idea.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: WereElephant on April 09, 2018, 07:52:23 PM ---(A) Fair. That's a different approach than I took.
(B) From what I recall, anyone can use magic in the Dresdenverse, it's just a matter of capacity. Vanilla mortals don't have enough capacity to do anything like a spell, but they can raise circles. Uncertain if angels/fallen could bestow an increase in magical capacity or not, or even if they would to. Interesting thought, though.
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(B) Soulfire seems to affect all of Harry's magic. Likewise, hellfire should affect all magic, albeit destructively. So a water-caster capable of shapeshifting should be able to use it to transform into other shapes, but perhaps slightly twisted, like groinkick is proposing. And with Deirdre's coin, it'd be a steel monster form.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Lost Merlin on April 09, 2018, 02:28:56 PM ---really we don't have much information about the fallen to make a decision. The only one we have interacted with much is Lash, who isn't even a fallen. We can make some assumptions about the fallen, but maybe Deirdre's Fallen was cooperative because of who the host was and that usually she just overtakes her host.
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I doubt Nic would have chosen a coin for his daughter whose Fallen was categorically unwilling to treat their bearer as a partner and insisted on outright domination.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: WereElephant on April 09, 2018, 07:55:33 PM ---White Court I could definitely see.
Red Court...unknown. Half-turned reds like the Fellowship, Susan, and Martin, I bet could do it.
Black Court, I'm guessing not, though that's pure speculation based on them being dead, and thereby not suitable as vessels with living Wills.
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Part of the point for the Fallen is to corrupt a mortal soul. So I agree the Black Court are right out.
Half-ramps and wamps are probably also candidates, although I'd guess the Fallen could probably purge the demonic presence if the bearer chose the Fallen over the other influence and the Fallen didn't want to share its proverbial Dixie cup.
Full ramps seem like a grey area. We're not really sure whether the soul entirely leaves the building when they turn (Susan remaining willing to be sacrificed suggests it's not instant). I'd gather the Fallen could probably bond with one in a pinch, but given how far they've already corrupted themselves, a rampire is probably less of a notch in their hellish bests to corrupt than a mortal human.
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