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Who will die in Peace Talks but return in Mirror Mirror? Theories

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WereElephant:

--- Quote from: Quantus on April 04, 2018, 03:52:41 PM ---Either way it doesnt kill the notion entirely: the Eebs are by no means the only Red Court Vampires to ever be imprisoned in the NN, they are simply the example we know of.  Any Vampire held deep enough and/or locked down in the NN had a chance to survive

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How about a Ramp imprisoned on everyone's favorite island in Lake Michigan?

Quantus:

--- Quote from: WereElephant on April 04, 2018, 05:02:32 PM ---How about a Ramp imprisoned on everyone's favorite island in Lake Michigan?

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Hard to say...Demonreach is still technically on Earth as far as we know, transdimensional nature not-withstanding.  If anywhere on Earth could block such an attack it would have been Demonreach, but that attack was specifically chosen because it could break through some of the most powerful defenses on the planet, namely those around the Senior Council at Edinburgh

WereElephant:

--- Quote from: Quantus on April 04, 2018, 05:27:54 PM ---Hard to say...Demonreach is still technically on Earth as far as we know, transdimensional nature not-withstanding.  If anywhere on Earth could block such an attack it would have been Demonreach, but that attack was specifically chosen because it could break through some of the most powerful defenses on the planet, namely those around the Senior Council at Edinburgh

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True. Although, it is believed that if Cowl had succeeded with the Darkhallow, he could have bulldozed Edinburgh. Based on Shagnasty and the Fae ladies having trouble with Demonreach, do we think he could have gotten through those defenses too? I'm unsure of the relative power levels of the two. Both are obviously prodigious, but are they both castles, or is one a castle and the other Minas Tirith?

Quantus:

--- Quote from: WereElephant on April 04, 2018, 07:21:13 PM ---True. Although, it is believed that if Cowl had succeeded with the Darkhallow, he could have bulldozed Edinburgh. Based on Shagnasty and the Fae ladies having trouble with Demonreach, do we think he could have gotten through those defenses too? I'm unsure of the relative power levels of the two. Both are obviously prodigious, but are they both castles, or is one a castle and the other Minas Tirith?

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We have one really nice if slightly outdated list of things we'd seen that could take Mab in a standing fight (not counting courtly assistance) and a Darkhallow-empowered Cowl is specifically on that list, so he'd be at least an order of magnitude stronger than a Lady. 

That being said, Id suspect there is a vast difference between attacking Alfred and actually Breaching the Well itself.  Finishing the attack might have accomplished the other, but given the sorts of things that are supposedly stored in the Well, strong enough to ambiently leak a Ley Line, I assume it would take a whole lot more to poke a hole in it with a single attack, even one as powerful as that curse.  From a purely Power-balance standpoint there is almost no way the Red Court's fodder that was fueling the bloodline curse would have been anywhere close to the equivalent Life energy in the entire Population of greater Chicago, so it makes sense that the darkhallow would be on a higher level than the Curse

Rasins:
Couple of points Q ...

The DH in DB would only have taken out 2 or 3 square miles of life.  I know, that's still a lot, but not the entire population of Chicago.

One theory that I believe to be true is that Cowl was seeking the power to fulfill a deal with the Reds, that when he got the power he'd break through the wards at the Wouncil's headquarters.

Now that's not to say that him with the power wouldn't be like hitting a fly with a sledgehammer, but I'm not so sure he'd be THAT much more powerful.

Another theory was that the blood sacrifices were empowering a spell that COULD punch through the wards. 

Again, all that being said, I believe that DR is FAR more impregnable than Edinburgh. 

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