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Could Harry have power over more than just Outsiders?
groinkick:
We know Harry has some sort of power over Outsiders according to Lash. But is that all? Lash who was Lasciel's shadow was also influenced by Harry. Uriel was concerned by Harry giving him a nickname. According to Jim Mab keeps her enemies close, and Titania is afraid of Harry.
So this begs the question. Does Harry, a starborn, hold some sort of influence over supernatural being's in general? We still don't know the nature of why he has influence over Outsiders, or how it works, but maybe it's not limited to just them?
Thoughts, idea's?
Griffyn612:
We know there are different spectrums of magic. Even within "mortal" magic, there are variations.
--- Quote ---I brought my shield around to intersect the new attack—and realized at the last second that each individual thread of energy was coming at me on a slightly different wavelength of the spectrum of magical energy, a variance of frequencies that my shield couldn’t stretch to cover. Not all at the same time, anyway. I countered three of them and nearly got the fourth, but it slipped by me, and I never even touched the fifth strand.
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This also demonstrates that Harry's magic doesn't inherently span all the mortal spectrums. He got a few, but it would have required additional effort and preparation to address all of them.
Likewise, we've seen Harry's magic fail against Raith's Outsider protection, and Scarecrow's (seemingly) fear-based immunity. There may be others, but those are the only two I can recall off the top of my head.
But even though his magic is fallible, his will is not.
We assume that a mortal will can go toe to toe with the likes of Vadderung, Before, and Mother Winter because Harry seems to imply it can. But it might be that Harry's will power has more potency than normal.
His will is more like faith magic, in that it seems to work against everything. I'm not saying it's faith magic, but it might be similar in its universal effect.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on March 10, 2018, 12:01:30 PM ---We know there are different spectrums of magic. Even within "mortal" magic, there are variations.
This also demonstrates that Harry's magic doesn't inherently span all the mortal spectrums. He got a few, but it would have required additional effort and preparation to address all of them.
Likewise, we've seen Harry's magic fail against Raith's Outsider protection, and Scarecrow's (seemingly) fear-based immunity. There may be others, but those are the only two I can recall off the top of my head.
But even though his magic is fallible, his will is not.
We assume that a mortal will can go toe to toe with the likes of Vadderung, Before, and Mother Winter because Harry seems to imply it can. But it might be that Harry's will power has more potency than normal.
His will is more like faith magic, in that it seems to work against everything. I'm not saying it's faith magic, but it might be similar in its universal effect.
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That's a good possibility. I mean being a Starborn is supposed to be of some importance, and have influence over Outsiders but at best he has survived against them, and hasn't really displayed power over them. So whatever power he has, he hasn't really shown it's full potential I don't think.
jonas:
Going to go with the vague idea Outsiders and Angels are not so different in their original formation. Look at the Naaglooshi, now worthy of DR but originally an angelic being outright.
Thinking it revolves around stars themselves and their inherent shadows.(those who stand in the light....) Mayhaps stars themselves are 'immortals' and those that go dark are still 'remembered by the universe' via emptiness/shadow itself... which would make a good point towards empty night I think...
raidem:
I'm going to go with Starborn trait being something equivalent to a 'special bloodline' but that isn't simply bound by blood but by a confluence of circumstances. In Amber you had Corwin creating a spinned off multiverse that really never got used. I liken Harry's Starborn trait tapping into a specialized bloodline and circumstance that gives Harry an ability of mastery over this multiverse on some level. This places Harry's family tree to be of particular importance. In particular, I'd focus much attention on Harry's father Malcolm Dresden. And, I'd wager that he has close links with a family operating on another scale of reality like one on a multiversal one. Where they visit and live occassionally in our World, before going back to where they exist in the Above Reality.
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