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jonas:

--- Quote from: Quantus on March 06, 2018, 09:08:40 PM ---Just to add fuel to this particular Frre, that room of the "Least" in the Well, Alfred said it's Purpose was for "“MEMORY. REFLECTION.”

So what if:
Memory:Reflection::Memory:Thought::Huginn:Muninn

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I like it, but as we have both the 'bird-brains' elsewhere I'm not sure I see a signifigence beyond another layer in the metastory.(like Archive being a strange combo of the two... cousins? lol)

Griffyn612:
I lean toward Hvergelmir, rather than Urdarbrunnr or Mimisbrunnr.  Mostly because it fits best with the Raphael/Demonreach theory.


* Dudael, the earthly prison that Raphael created, holds the fallen Grigori Azazel (and other Grigori, maybe), where he (and the others) are to be held until the day of Judgement, at which time they'll be cast into the fire.
* Dudael means Cauldron of God.  There's an interesting potential for creative interpretations for a cauldron and a fire, especially in the Dresdenverse.
* Azazel translates as Scapegoat (of God), i.e. the angel blamed did, and punished for, the failings of the Grigori. 
* Hvergelmir is the prison for the dragon/serpent Nidhogg. There, he's said to gnaw on the corpses of the wicked that are imprisoned there with him.
* Nid translates as "loss of honor" and was used as a social stigma for villains.  If not an exact match, then at least a similar stigma attached to the scapegoat?

* One source, the poem Völuspá of Poetic Edda, seems to imply that Nidhogg will eventually be freed and carry upon his wings the bodies of the dead.  This will presumably be during Ragnarok.
* Demonreach is an earthly prison (like Dudael) set within deep roots (like Hvergelmir) that contains Naagloshi (messenger angels of their pantheon that betrayed their duty, like the Grigori) and other evil creatures (like the cursed of Hvergelmir) that (according to Alfred) would be burned in a fiery safeguard (like the fires at Judgement) should they be on the verge of release.

Quantus:

--- Quote from: jonas on March 06, 2018, 10:48:25 PM ---I like it, but as we have both the 'bird-brains' elsewhere I'm not sure I see a signifigence beyond another layer in the metastory.(like Archive being a strange combo of the two... cousins? lol)

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More that where Merlin made a Room, Odin spun off lesser Mantles (basically his version of a Knight).  The Idea would be that his Ravens would serve a similar metaphysical purpose/function, simply bound to a geographic location rather than a Host entity.  Which makes sense given Demonreach

Kindler:

--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on March 07, 2018, 01:07:35 AM ---I lean toward Hvergelmir, rather than Urdarbrunnr or Mimisbrunnr.  Mostly because it fits best with the Raphael/Demonreach theory.


* Dudael, the earthly prison that Raphael created, holds the fallen Grigori Azazel (and other Grigori, maybe), where he (and the others) are to be held until the day of Judgement, at which time they'll be cast into the fire.
* Dudael means Cauldron of God.  There's an interesting potential for creative interpretations for a cauldron and a fire, especially in the Dresdenverse.
* Azazel translates as Scapegoat (of God), i.e. the angel blamed did, and punished for, the failings of the Grigori. 
* Hvergelmir is the prison for the dragon/serpent Nidhogg. There, he's said to gnaw on the corpses of the wicked that are imprisoned there with him.
* Nid translates as "loss of honor" and was used as a social stigma for villains.  If not an exact match, then at least a similar stigma attached to the scapegoat?

* One source, the poem Völuspá of Poetic Edda, seems to imply that Nidhogg will eventually be freed and carry upon his wings the bodies of the dead.  This will presumably be during Ragnarok.
* Demonreach is an earthly prison (like Dudael) set within deep roots (like Hvergelmir) that contains Naagloshi (messenger angels of their pantheon that betrayed their duty, like the Grigori) and other evil creatures (like the cursed of Hvergelmir) that (according to Alfred) would be burned in a fiery safeguard (like the fires at Judgement) should they be on the verge of release.
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Sure, I could see an interpretation there. Not sure I'm sold on Raphael and such, but I don't have anything to dispute it, and I could see it being true.


--- Quote ---There's an interesting potential for creative interpretations for a cauldron

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You mean Large Cooking Pot? ;D

Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: Kindler on March 08, 2018, 02:57:48 PM ---Sure, I could see an interpretation there. Not sure I'm sold on Raphael and such, but I don't have anything to dispute it, and I could see it being true.
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The biggest argument against it is the line in one of the books, I think Proven Guilty, where Lash says the sigil work on the Carpenter saferoom looks like Raphael's work (implying he's still active and around).  The counter argument is that she then immediately appended "or one of his lieutenants", which could imply that her first thought was Raphael, but recalled he's off the board, and corrected herself without clarifying her mistake.


--- Quote ---You mean Large Cooking Pot? ;D

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Some folks like the idea of Harry completing a Darkhallow on Demonreach.  In that context, the prison is the cauldron, and the prisoners are the stew waiting to be devoured.

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