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Changes and the Curse that....
Quantus:
OK, so dont hate me, but this is actually the only instance (aside from the PG weirdness) where I actually see potential for a Time Travel hook. I think the two-mintue Gap in his memory (in which he was apparently interacting with people but still acting "out of it") is an instance where a Future-Harry came back (in this model Time Travelers would inhabit their past bodies rather than the kinds that risks meeting themselves).
Given the Law of Conservation of History, that event at CI is likely too significant to Change, and so would be something of a hard wall against Time Travelers (Fixed Point in Time, to use Dr Who terms), so it would make sense for an amateur time traveler to land there. Meanwhile, all those that gained visions, those with Magic and especially those with incubating Life/Souls in them (ie pregnancy) were perceiving reverberations from a changed Timeline. So all those visions of "dead children. The world in flames. Terror and death spreading across the globe in an unstoppable wave, destroying anything resembling order or civilization" are not "Prophesy of the Future" so much as they are "Visions of a Future that Would Have Been".
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Quantus on February 26, 2018, 02:13:57 PM ---Given the Law of Conservation of History, that event at CI is likely too significant to Change, and so would be something of a hard wall against Time Travelers (Fixed Point in Time, to use Dr Who terms), so it would make sense for an amateur time traveler to land there. Meanwhile, all those that gained visions, those with Magic and especially those with incubating Life/Souls in them (ie pregnancy) were perceiving reverberations from a changed Timeline. So all those visions of "dead children. The world in flames. Terror and death spreading across the globe in an unstoppable wave, destroying anything resembling order or civilization" are not "Prophesy of the Future" so much as they are "Visions of a Future that Would Have Been".
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Trying to understand; you're saying that Future Harry travels back to Chichen Itza because he wants to prevent Susan from dying, or preserve the Red Court for some reason, and that he failed to do so because of some kind of Universal Law of Time Staying the Same About Big Stuff? And that the visions everyone saw were the horrid future that would have befallen them if Harry had succeeded in changing what we see in Changes?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 26, 2018, 03:32:00 PM ---Trying to understand; you're saying that Future Harry travels back to Chichen Itza because he wants to prevent Susan from dying, or preserve the Red Court for some reason, and that he failed to do so because of some kind of Universal Law of Time Staying the Same About Big Stuff? And that the visions everyone saw were the horrid future that would have befallen them if Harry had succeeded in changing what we see in Changes?
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I think Quantus is stating that people were seeing the visions of what would have happened if Harry had failed, and the reason why is because it was such a large event that time travel could not undo it, so it's a permanent change allowing people to see what would have happened if not for Harry ending the Red Court.
I disagree... I believe the visions are the opposite. They are seeing a possible future that they have been locked into because of what Harry did. It was a massive fork in the road.... A decision was made, an action taken, and the world is now on a very dangerous path.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 26, 2018, 03:32:00 PM ---Trying to understand; you're saying that Future Harry travels back to Chichen Itza because he wants to prevent Susan from dying, or preserve the Red Court for some reason, and that he failed to do so because of some kind of Universal Law of Time Staying the Same About Big Stuff? And that the visions everyone saw were the horrid future that would have befallen them if Harry had succeeded in changing what we see in Changes?
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Groinkick has the bulk of it. My theory is that the events we saw in Changes are what happened AFTER some future Harry came back in time to fix Something. The visions would thus have been the Future that would have happened if he had Failed (or never Chosen to go back at all), but the Casefile is being told from the POV of the world/timeline where TT-Harry was successful.
I think this falls out with Groinkick and myself believing the same general shape of things, just with a very stark Optimist/Pessimist difference on the outcome/interpretation. I think the Good Guys will (and thus Timey Whimey Already Have) won the Day. Sounds like GK thinks they are all royally F*cked. :P
raidem:
I've long argued that future Harry revisits changes. I stated that he gets overlayed on top of Harry. And that future Harry has a hidden exchange with Mrs spunklecrief, who is either retired mother summer or conduit for the mothers.
I believe there is a plot regarding the athame, the red's missing shipment that will later get explained.
I can see Harry returning to ci, but I think in most histories the reds were wiped out. I could see Harry going back to ci to adjust things so that order of st giles didn't get wiped out in what he did. Maybe he will try to place many of them within a safe area within the NN.
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