The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
The Watchers
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: peregrine on February 11, 2018, 05:19:19 PM ---Yeah, but there's a reason Harry calls bringing mortals into the fight as a "nuclear option." For one thing, mortals have the literal nuclear option. Or at a lesser extent, the carpet bombing option. How well would things have gone for most of the Red Court if Harry had opened up his fight with a flight of bombers dropping white phosphorus all over the area?
If the various supernatural forces out there thought they could win a head on war with mortals, they wouldn't be hiding but ruling.
I mean, sure they took out an FBI Building. But the vast majority of the people there were admin and investigators. The heaviest thing in the arsenal might have been a rifle, and probably was a pistol. Try that against a base prepared for such an attack, and things will go differently. And even if they do manage to take it out, there's the vast difference in numbers. Humanity can afford to lose 10-1 to take out the Rampires or whatever.
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It took one wizard with a walking stick to set of Krakatoa. What do you think a retired god could do to Yellowstone?
What's to stop the Fomor from hijacking a sub armed with nukes, taking the payload and having someone detonate a few in the upper atmosphere in strategic locations, to knock out electronics? Or detonating them inside military bases and ports, security bunkers, or the Pentagon?
If they needed to, the supernatural community could neutralize humanity's threat. The only thing stopping them is the lack of necessity. They get more with the status quo than they do in all-out war. The more reasoned minds keep the rest in check.
But if humanity starts it, they won't let themselves be exterminated.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 11, 2018, 05:49:55 PM ---It took one wizard with a walking stick to set of Krakatoa. What do you think a retired god could do to Yellowstone?
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Wizards have free will, gods do not.
--- Quote ---What's to stop the Fomor from hijacking a sub armed with nukes, taking the payload and having someone detonate a few in the upper atmosphere in strategic locations, to knock out electronics? Or detonating them inside military bases and ports, security bunkers, or the Pentagon?
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Probably the same thing that stops wizards from using computers. Also the Fomor would then be targeted by just about every other supernatural thing out there
--- Quote ---If they needed to, the supernatural community could neutralize humanity's threat. The only thing stopping them is the lack of necessity. They get more with the status quo than they do in all-out war. The more reasoned minds keep the rest in check.
But if humanity starts it, they won't let themselves be exterminated.
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It's not all of humanity vs all of the supernatural world. If a war broke out between say the vampire courts, and humanity the chances are good that factions would join humanity, and humanity would accept them as allies.
It's common knowledge how important human belief, worship ect is required for many gods, and supernatural beings to even exist. They aren't going to stand by and watch their source of power be exterminated by the Fomor or vampires. For many in the supernatural world to destroy humanity is no different than ending their own existence. They need humans for worship. Vampires need humans for food. Remove humanity, remove themselves. That's why they don't want war, and if they fought humanity in a war they would just end up destroying their only source of power.
They would be dooming themselves into Oblivion....
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 11, 2018, 06:52:16 PM ---Wizards have free will, gods do not.
Probably the same thing that stops wizards from using computers. Also the Fomor would then be targeted by just about every other supernatural thing out there
It's not all of humanity vs all of the supernatural world. If a war broke out between say the vampire courts, and humanity the chances are good that factions would join humanity, and humanity would accept them as allies.
It's common knowledge how important human belief, worship ect is required for many gods, and supernatural beings to even exist. They aren't going to stand by and watch their source of power be exterminated by the Fomor or vampires. For many in the supernatural world to destroy humanity is no different than ending their own existence. They need humans for worship. Vampires need humans for food. Remove humanity, remove themselves. That's why they don't want war, and if they fought humanity in a war they would just end up destroying their only source of power.
They would be dooming themselves into Oblivion....
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We're not talking about the Fomor instigating a war with humanity, which the supernatural community would prevent. We're talking about a human government agency hunting and killing supernatural creatures, the creatures responding, and humanity escalating things further.
Once things go far enough, it'll be humans versus the combined might of the supernatural world. At that point, all the old rules are back. The new rules, where the gods idle their time away, will be gone. It'll be fire and brimstone and worse.
Edit: Also, there's been no evidence than anyone else in he supernatural community has the same tech weakness as the wizards. We've seen evidence of the opposite.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 11, 2018, 07:17:58 PM ---Once things go far enough, it'll be humans versus the combined might of the supernatural world. At that point, all the old rules are back. The new rules, where the gods idle their time away, will be gone. It'll be fire and brimstone and worse.
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Why? Humans can't attack the idle gods. Can't attack Winter or Summer. Cannot attack Hades or Zeus. Humans are limited to fighting in the Earthly plane. Why would Mab, or Hades, or the old gods get involved against humanity in a war with say the Fomor? What would the benefit be? In actuality these gods would see it as an opportunity to remove the Fomor. There is no reason for the gods to side with vampires, fomor, ghouls, or any other Earthly realm beings. The gods are beyond humanities reach, and are no friends to most of the supernatural creatures who call Earth their home.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 11, 2018, 07:27:08 PM ---Why? Humans can't attack the idle gods. Can't attack Winter or Summer. Cannot attack Hades or Zeus. Humans are limited to fighting in the Earthly plane. Why would Mab, or Hades, or the old gods get involved against humanity in a war with say the Fomor? What would the benefit be? In actuality these gods would see it as an opportunity to remove the Fomor. There is no reason for the gods to side with vampires, fomor, ghouls, or any other Earthly realm beings. The gods are beyond humanities reach, and are no friends to most of the supernatural creatures who call Earth their home.
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Because the proposed attack wasn't on the Fomor. It was in the Whamps. Lara would not sit idly by as her people were killed. She'd go after whoever was responsible. So it'd either end quickly, with the humans smacked down and put in their place, or it'd escalate.
If it escalated, with humanity bringing their weapons to bear, then the opportunistic sort like the Fomor would back the Wamps. The Sidhe Courts can't work together, so you'd have two of the most powerful factions ready to fight the humans to prevent their extinction, with the others limited in what they could do. And you know Cristos would be warning the wizards that the vanilla mortals would turn on them at the earliest opportunity, just like they did during the witch hunts.
And how many other minor gods out there are weak because of a lack of faith and opportunity? How many others would love a return to the old ways? To scare the hell out of the humans in their domain, feed off their compliance, and grow stronger?
The humans would fight back, and so would the supernatural. Some mortal working for the government would figure out a way to open a Way to somewhere important (Arctis Tor, perhaps, with the help of Cowl?) and they'd send a nuke in a la the World Council in the Avengers, or the US in Independence Day. And then the Courts *will* be involved, and not on humanity's side.
The supernatural creatures would just open Ways into every nuclear missile silo, storage facility, and sub, and just take the entire arsenal. Butterfly-winged faeries would carry them in orbit and above the cities and set them off, knocking out satellites and electronics. Buried phone and internet trunk lines would be broken. Power plants would be sabotaged even worse than they were in DB, sending the population into the dark ages.
And then the old gods would come, making humanity capitulate. Many would fight, but we're talking maybe 50 million military personnel to protect 7 billion? With no nukes, against an enemy that has them, that can go ahead and nuke every military base and port?
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