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Just a guess about Peace Talks
Talby16:
--- Quote from: Quantus on February 16, 2018, 01:42:57 PM ---I think this is more or less the Role Marcone is playing; not actual Arbiter (with the sort of absolute authority they get) because this is a political Discussion and not a Duel, but he /is/ the Host specifically because he has a reputation for Neutrality in the Supernatural world.
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Hmmm, I could get behind Marcone as an Arbiter type figure. It would be an interesting context to see him in. It could also lead to a change in his relationship with Dresden. Harry has always thought of him as a ambitious crime lord. Seeing him take on the neutral, peace promoting role might cause a crisis of belief. Especially if Harry is put in the position of enforcing Marcone's decision as Arbiter because of his position as Winter Knight.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Talby16 on February 16, 2018, 03:57:47 PM ---Hmmm, I could get behind Marcone as an Arbiter type figure. It would be an interesting context to see him in. It could also lead to a change in his relationship with Dresden. Harry has always thought of him as a ambitious crime lord. Seeing him take on the neutral, peace promoting role might cause a crisis of belief. Especially if Harry is put in the position of enforcing Marcone's decision as Arbiter because of his position as Winter Knight.
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To be clear, I do Not think Marcone is acting as as Arbiter, because an Arbiter by definition has final Authority over the outcome of the proceedings and Marcone will not. But from the Peace Talks Ch1 we have, we know he is acting as Host because he has built a reputation for Strength and Neutrality (in no small part form the events of Peace Talks).
dspringer1:
Some misunderstandings here are the Arbiter position.
To be an arbiter, you must be an member of the accords. Which means either you are a representative of a supernatural nation or a individual freeholding lord like the Archive or Marcone. By definition, you are either a power, or backed by a power in the supernatural community.
In this context, the arbiter will enforce the conditions of the arbitration. By that I mean Keep the Peace while negotiating and/or enforcing the terms of a dual. In this they are backed up by the weight of public opinion (at least the public opinion of the other accorded powers) who have an interest in enforcing the rules. This is a dangerous commitment at times, which is why many of the lesser powers do not try to act as arbiters.
The arbiter is NOT signing up to enforce the agreements that are the result of an arbitrated negotiation. In the real world, if the US hosts peace talks between France and Vietnam, they are not signing up to force the two participants to do what they promised to do. The supernatural world is no different.
If Marcone is hosting the peace talks, then all he signed up to do is provide a suitable venue, protect the participants and severely punish/kill any that disrupt the peace talks (in some way contrary to the agreed procedures). That might be a commitment beyond his capability to deliver on, but the presumption is that --- as a free standing lord - he can deliver it. If he fails, his status as a free standing lord would be put at serious risk. Of course if he succeeds, then that also lends a lot to his reputation.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: dspringer1 on February 16, 2018, 11:35:17 PM ---If Marcone is hosting the peace talks, then all he signed up to do is provide a suitable venue, protect the participants and severely punish/kill any that disrupt the peace talks (in some way contrary to the agreed procedures). That might be a commitment beyond his capability to deliver on, but the presumption is that --- as a free standing lord - he can deliver it. If he fails, his status as a free standing lord would be put at serious risk. Of course if he succeeds, then that also lends a lot to his reputation.
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How does that conform with the White Council having it's own security? I mean it could be for when the White Council representatives are not being protected by Marcone, at whatever safe house they use while in Chicago, but that doesn't feel right to me. I think it's more likely that Marcone made an agreement that goes something like this; Marcone will provide external security for the venue while the individual parties are responsible for providing their own security while inside the venue.
Of course it's highly likely that the parties to the talks are supposed to pledge to a non-aggression pact while taking part in the talks, but no one really trusts each other so everyone wants to have their own protection with them. Someone like Ivy would have to power to punish (obliterate) any transgressors of the non-aggression pact. In fact, I could see one or more parties involved; assuming there are more than two, demanding Ivy or some other neutral arbiter; with a similar scary level of destructive magic ability, be on hand to insure everyone abides by the agreement.
exartiem:
Would Marcone's active war with the Fomor invading his city compromise his neutrality?
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