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Would you like to see Highlander type immortals in the Dresdenverse?
raidem:
The amber family or the chaos family would work in dresden files. Although they are nigh immortal, they can be killed. Their main skill is traveling between worlds and their existence leaving strong shadows on these worlds. So they'd be like natural 'starborn' characters with their actions strongly affecting the world around them. This is why I think Harry is descended from one. His bloodline via Malcolm or both parents goes to some proximate and very important amberite/chaosian--(Mac/corwin). This could then mean that changes blood curse was targeting the members in the houses of order and/or chaos.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 08, 2018, 12:41:28 PM ---The question is, what would they be doing? If they had magical ability, they'd be known. If not, then they're not that significant in the long run, save for being living Archives.
Maybe have them be associated with a secret society trying to steer the world? Have one or more tied to the National Archives, having presided over a library of some sort ever since Alexandria? Have one being held somewhere against their will, an immortal captive that has been experimented on?
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Well if I was writing it they would be a very secretive society. They would work in similar fashion to the White Council. They would be insanely wealthy with their fingers in politics, and virtually every economy around the world.
Remember the Underworld movies where the Lycans were using bullets developed by the military that was basically sunlight in a bullet that was very effective against vampires, and the vampires took the idea and used liquid silver in their bullets? The Immortals would work in a similar fashion. Using mortal technology to eliminate supernatural threats. It would basically be a bunch of Bruce Wayne's... People without super powers using wealth, technology, and cunning to deal with super human type threats. They wouldn't be pure as the wind driven snow. They would simply see the vanilla world as their territory, and supernatural being's as interlopers.
Griffyn612:
Relevant
List of mythological immortals from Wikipedia.
- Nicolas Flamel. He is believed to find the book of Abraham the mage, get the ever-changing text decoded and find a spell for immortality, along with his wife.
- Ziusudra (also Zi-ud-sura and Zin-Suddu; Hellenized Xisuthros: "found long life" or "life of long days") of Shuruppak is listed in the WB-62 Sumerian king list[citation needed] recension as the last king of Sumer prior to the deluge. He is subsequently recorded as the hero of the Sumerian flood epic. He is also mentioned in other ancient literature, including The Death of Gilgamesh[citation needed] and The Poem of Early Rulers,[citation needed] and a late version of The Instructions of Shuruppak refers to Ziusudra. Akkadian Atrahasis ("extremely wise") and Utnapishtim ("he found life"), as well as biblical Noah ("rest") are similar heroes of flood legends of the Ancient Near East.[2]
- Ashwathama the Kaurava warrior after the kurukshetra was cursed by Krishna 'to be immortal and roam the earth without love, respect and social acceptance from anyone until the end of time'.[3]
- Sage Markandeya, who was granted immortality at the age of sixteen.[citation needed]
- Tithonus, who in Greek mythology was granted eternal life but not eternal youth.[citation needed]
- Achilles, Helen, Ino, Memnon, Menelaus, and Peleus, were said to have achieved physical immortality through the intervention of the gods.[4]
- The Wandering Jew (b. 1st century BC), a Jewish shoemaker. According to legend, he taunted Jesus on his way to crucifixion. Jesus cursed him to "go on forever till I return." Thus, the Wandering Jew is to live until the second coming of Jesus.[5]
- John the Apostle (AD 6-101), one of Jesus's followers. Some Mormons, in conjunction with their own scriptures, interpret the biblical scripture found at John 21:21-23 to mean that John will tarry or remain on the earth until the Second Coming.[6]
- The Three Nephites (between AD 34 and 35), three men described in the Book of Mormon who are given power over death in order to fulfill their desire to minister among men until Jesus comes again.[7]
- Sir Galahad (dates for his life fall between the 2nd century and the 6th century), one of the three Arthurian knights to find the Holy Grail. Of them, Galahad is the only one to have achieved immortality by it.[citation needed]
- Merlin (dates for his life fall between the 2nd century and the 6th century); in some accounts, Merlin is trapped by an enchantment by Nimue, and while some end with Merlin dying, in others he remains in the trap (variously a tomb, a cave, a mist, or a tree) indefinitely.
Also, Cain. Perhaps others as well, if anyone can think of any.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 08, 2018, 07:03:47 PM ---Well if I was writing it they would be a very secretive society. They would work in similar fashion to the White Council. They would be insanely wealthy with their fingers in politics, and virtually every economy around the world.
Remember the Underworld movies where the Lycans were using bullets developed by the military that was basically sunlight in a bullet that was very effective against vampires, and the vampires took the idea and used liquid silver in their bullets? The Immortals would work in a similar fashion. Using mortal technology to eliminate supernatural threats. It would basically be a bunch of Bruce Wayne's... People without super powers using wealth, technology, and cunning to deal with super human type threats. They wouldn't be pure as the wind driven snow. They would simply see the vanilla world as their territory, and supernatural being's as interlopers.
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But where would they fit in the Dresdenverse? You'd think that such an organization would be discovered by the long-lived wizards and all-but-immortal monsters and gods.
That's why I was thinking they could be tied to the Library. Powerless magically, but powerful with knowledge. They could know Names, and how to use them, which would keep certain Powerful creatures from interfering.
But to run governments and control markets, they'd be butting up against the lesser groups (Wamps, Ramps, Council) pretty regularly. And they would have had a vested interest in supporting the wizards in the war. If they existed in the Dresdenverse, they'd need a reason to not be involved.
Lack of numbers would be one reason. If it's only one, or a handful, then they'd be limited. Maybe they don't work together. Maybe they strike deals with groups, to stay out of their business in return for being left alone.
I could see where the Council would fear a wizard getting an immortality elixir, because then there'd be nothing to stop them. So the Senior Council strikes a deal with an immortal, to keep their tricks to themselves in return for favors and secret partnerships when necessary.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 08, 2018, 07:45:03 PM ---But where would they fit in the Dresdenverse? You'd think that such an organization would be discovered by the long-lived wizards and all-but-immortal monsters and gods.
That's why I was thinking they could be tied to the Library. Powerless magically, but powerful with knowledge. They could know Names, and how to use them, which would keep certain Powerful creatures from interfering.
But to run governments and control markets, they'd be butting up against the lesser groups (Wamps, Ramps, Council) pretty regularly. And they would have had a vested interest in supporting the wizards in the war. If they existed in the Dresdenverse, they'd need a reason to not be involved.
Lack of numbers would be one reason. If it's only one, or a handful, then they'd be limited. Maybe they don't work together. Maybe they strike deals with groups, to stay out of their business in return for being left alone.
I could see where the Council would fear a wizard getting an immortality elixir, because then there'd be nothing to stop them. So the Senior Council strikes a deal with an immortal, to keep their tricks to themselves in return for favors and secret partnerships when necessary.
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Yeah, that's the thing -- the group as groinkick is describing is already overlapping with a bunch of other groups. We've already got guys like the Venatori and the Special Collections division that fill the niche of "secretive mortals up against supernatural threats," so I don't see why a group of immortals doing that same thing would be particularly interesting.
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