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Could Maggie have taken up a Coin?

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raidem:
Eb gave the impression that she fell in love with Malcolm in the end.  It therefore seemed like their association wasn't love on her end but a star born project that then blosssomed into something else.

Mr. Death:

--- Quote from: raidem on February 06, 2018, 06:24:21 PM ---Eb gave the impression that she fell in love with Malcolm in the end.  It therefore seemed like their association wasn't love on her end but a star born project that then blosssomed into something else.

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The only info we have about it says that Maggie getting with Malcolm was her getting out of the plans and such she had with Lord Raith et al. Not that it was just another step in the plan.


--- Quote ---"She did," Ebenezar confirmed. "I don't know why, but for some
reason she turned away from her previous associates—including
Justin DuMorne. After that, nowhere was safe for her. She ran from
her former allies and from the Wardens for perhaps two years.
And she ran from me. I had my orders regarding her as well."
I stared at him in pained fascination. "What happened?"
"She met your father. A man. A mortal, without powers, without
influence, without resources. But a man with a good soul, like few I
have ever seen. I believe that she fell in love with him. But on the
night you were born, one of her former allies found her and
exacted his vengeance for her desertion."
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He doesn't say she ended up loving him "in the end," just that she fell in love. I don't see anything in that description that would indicate that she met Malcolm for some ulterior motive -- Ebenezer clearly says she met him after running away from her former associates and, presumably, from the plans she had with them.

There seems to be this everpresent impression of Maggie Sr. of this ultimate planner that did everything completely purposefully and with foresight, but the evidence suggests she very much was not.

She was someone who slept with Lord Raith. On purpose. Multiple times.

If that alone doesn't spell, "Way too arrogant and really bad at predicting the outcomes of your actions," then nothing does.

As a rule, your master planners generally don't end up having to run away from damn near everyone on the planet that's aware of them for two years before being killed. That kind of thing happens to people who only think they're master planners.

groinkick:
Hey Griff, haven't seen you post in the section in a while.

peregrine:

--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 06, 2018, 05:13:32 PM ---Do we have any proof that Maggie still had access to her magic when she had Harry/died?  Just curious, as I can't recall anything suggesting she did or didn't.

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She made stone for Harry with all her info on the Ways.  Not necessarily when she died, but it's a safe bet she knew he was on the way, and it probably wasn't for Thomas (being a Wampire, his mortal magic probably wasn't on the same level).

Kindler:

--- Quote from: peregrine on February 06, 2018, 09:21:39 PM ---She made stone for Harry with all her info on the Ways.  Not necessarily when she died, but it's a safe bet she knew he was on the way, and it probably wasn't for Thomas (being a Wampire, his mortal magic probably wasn't on the same level).

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Point of order: the stone was given to Lea to give to Harry, not necessarily made for him. In the text, it functions like a doctor or researcher's notes; she even has aside dialogue about a rough landing (something like "don't wear a dress next time, some farmer will get a show," if I remember correctly). It is my reading that she made it for herself, then left it to Harry in her pseudo-will. I could be wrong here; I'm going just from what we know about it in Changes.

Not saying one way or the other that she had set aside her magic; I was simply raising the question in my original post.

As for the death curse, I don't know enough about how they function to say whether or not it would still work, and I think we don't have enough information about what Michael truly meant by setting aside magic. It could be setting aside the function by which their wizard senses work—they can't pull energy from the environment, etc., but they can still draw on their life energy to back a spell; after all, non-wizards can do magic, too—what limits them is their ability to tap into those external resources. Harry compares it to a deaf-blind-mute learning to paint.


--- Quote from: Mr. Death on February 06, 2018, 07:54:16 PM ---There seems to be this everpresent impression of Maggie Sr. of this ultimate planner that did everything completely purposefully and with foresight, but the evidence suggests she very much was not.

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I agree. I don't think she had a Grand Design; I think she was curious and defiant, and got into some stuff way, way too deeply before she realized how terrible it was all going to be. I think that once she was snapped out of her deluded lifestyle, she reacted by doing what she did best: running. That was after she had decided to correct what she messed up, landed on the idea of a Starborn, and went about the business of making one herself. That gave her the push she needed to break away, met Malcolm, fell for him, and aligned the circumstances of Harry's birth (not sure if it's significant, but Lash doesn't say the circumstances of his conception, but specifically his birth).

Further evidence of Margaret's lack of foresight is her defiance toward the Laws; Luccio provides a perfectly reasonable and credible argument for keeping them as high-level and simple as possible, but evidently that kind of argument didn't work too well on Margaret.

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