The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Could Maggie have taken up a Coin?
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on February 26, 2018, 06:11:35 AM ---Harry usually can't throw a spell from inside a circle. When he does, the implication is that he's using what energy is there inside the circle.
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Every single time he makes a tracking spell, he puts himself inside a circle.
He regularly refers to putting yourself inside a circle as a normal part of thaumaturgy, to keep outside power from interfering.
--- Quote ---Remember Aurora's circle. Harry was basically helpless inside it, the only thing he could throw was his death curse. Aurora did consider this last a potential problem, but otherwise Harry was more or less magically neutralized.
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No, that's not at all what that was about.
It wasn't that Harry could only cast his death curse in there. It was that if they broke the circle to kill him, then he'd be able to cast his Death Curse without it being blocked by the circle.
It wasn't at all about what power was available to him, it was about there being a barrier between him and Aurora that would have to come down for them to execute him.
--- Quote ---Elaine caught Slate's wrist and said, "Wait."
Aurora gave Elaine a sharp and angry look. "What are you
doing?"
"Protecting you," Elaine said. "If you let Slate kill him, he'll break
the circle around Dresden."
Aurora looked from Elaine to me and back. "And?"
"Elaine!" I snarled.
She regarded me with flat eyes. "And you'll leave yourself open
to his death curse. He'll take you with him. Or make you wish he
had."
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--- Quote ---We saw this in action when Nicodemus trapped Harry, Ivy, Kincaid, etc. in a big circle, too. Because it was a big circle, there was quite a bit of energy in it, but Harry muses that once that energy is all used up, he's 'just a guy with a gun'. Unless, of course, he threw a death curse.
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Harry says "usually" when you do a spell you draw in power from outside. Not that that's the only source except for a Death Curse.
Granted, the rest of that passage appears to support you. But there is still the fact that Harry quite often creates his spells from inside a circle.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on February 26, 2018, 01:56:54 PM ---Every single time he makes a tracking spell, he puts himself inside a circle.
He regularly refers to putting yourself inside a circle as a normal part of thaumaturgy, to keep outside power from interfering.
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But you still have the energy you bring into the circle with yourself for the spell, too. Harry's tracking spells, for ex, don't require much juice, they're more about skill.
We also don't know for sure if your own circle can't be selectively permeable, but that's speculative. Still, the fact that the tracking spell itself can work through circle suggests they might be.
I have no doubt there are sources of power other than the outside energies and the life-force itself. In fact we know they exist, such as the power behind the entropy curse, or the spell on Mickey Malone.
But what Harry and the other Wizards mostly use is that natural outside life-force flow.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on February 26, 2018, 01:56:54 PM ---Every single time he makes a tracking spell, he puts himself inside a circle.
He regularly refers to putting yourself inside a circle as a normal part of thaumaturgy, to keep outside power from interfering.
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I thought he made tracking spells in small circles in front of him, rather than around him. But I could be mistaken.
LordDresden2:
Here's another indication that most magic comes from outside: JB's explanation of the 'thorn manacles'.
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,21772.msg947671.html#msg947671
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As far as how the thorn manacles work:
Essentially what it does is when a wizard’s drawing the magic in, the thorn manacles divert it to somewhere else. Wizards have to give a little bit of energy from inside themselves, but mostly that’s to pull it in from the outside. And the thorn manacles take that and go, “Nope, ok, we’re shunting it out into the Nevernever and you don’t get to use it.”
The pain is just a result of the energy that is going by and going elsewhere, it’s inefficiency of transfer, if you want to put it in engineering terms. That’s really nerdy, so I won’t do that.
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Which hints to me that a death curse might also work even if a Wizard was thorn-manacled.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 27, 2018, 11:15:59 PM ---I thought he made tracking spells in small circles in front of him, rather than around him. But I could be mistaken.
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He was inside the circle with the windup duck, I know that much. "Thus do I strike another blow for anarchy," or some such line that followed. Also pretty sure he was inside the circle in Proven Guilty when he put up the Play-Doh web.
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