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Grey Council vs. Circle
raidem:
The problem I see is Ferrovax would be restricted from placing his full form upon the Earth, as that would warp reality etc. I'm assuming he could place a miniFerro to participate in things.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: raidem on February 07, 2018, 01:57:08 PM ---The problem I see is Ferrovax would be restricted from placing his full form upon the Earth, as that would warp reality etc. I'm assuming he could place a miniFerro to participate in things.
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Even what he was bringing to bear in GP would likely outclass most mortal practitioners; he may not be able to maintain that form in the mortal realm indefinitely, but if it wasnt too difficult to attend the party of a relatively minor Red Court noble, then the sort of battles we are talking about should be too much worse (relative to the actual Power used, I suppose). As I understand the reality Warping effects there is a matter of exposure-time before the stresses overload reality. Even the Mothers and multiple Archangels (if you could Michael delivering a sword) have come to the Mortal world for short periods.
Separately, Ive been wondering what that warping woudl actually look like. I think there is a reasonable chance it would be just a larger version of the warping that happened around Shagnasty
Kindler:
I'll concede that it may be technically possible for Ferrovax to be involved, though I'd argue that Vadderung doesn't break the world by moving around in it. Odin is more on the level of the Erlking at this point, and probably not an equal to Mab; she can walk around as much as she wants without trouble (though it does get a bit chillier). I think Ferrovax's power is exponentially higher, or otherwise functions in sufficiently differently that a warp effect takes place.
--- Quote from: Quantus on February 07, 2018, 02:18:07 PM ---Even what he was bringing to bear in GP would likely outclass most mortal practitioners; he may not be able to maintain that form in the mortal realm indefinitely, but if it wasnt too difficult to attend the party of a relatively minor Red Court noble, then the sort of battles we are talking about should be too much worse (relative to the actual Power used, I suppose). As I understand the reality Warping effects there is a matter of exposure-time before the stresses overload reality. Even the Mothers and multiple Archangels (if you could Michael delivering a sword) have come to the Mortal world for short periods.
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I don't recall the Mothers coming to the mortal world; did that happen and I forgot it? Or was it in one of the short stories I haven't read yet?
And Uriel showing up at Michael's house partially froze time. No idea what the Janitor Disguise did elsewhere, if anything.
--- Quote from: Quantus on February 07, 2018, 02:18:07 PM ---Separately, Ive been wondering what that warping woudl actually look like. I think there is a reasonable chance it would be just a larger version of the warping that happened around Shagnasty
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Yeah, I kinda want to see that. Jim has teased a full Dragon book before the end (along with a Kaiju one; I'm anticipating them being the same book), so I expect we'll see what happens when someone accidentally breaks reality.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Kindler on February 07, 2018, 02:33:14 PM ---I'll concede that it may be technically possible for Ferrovax to be involved, though I'd argue that Vadderung doesn't break the world by moving around in it. Odin is more on the level of the Erlking at this point, and probably not an equal to Mab; she can walk around as much as she wants without trouble (though it does get a bit chillier). I think Ferrovax's power is exponentially higher, or otherwise functions in sufficiently differently that a warp effect takes place.
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Hard to say on the other relative Power levels (particularly Vadderung who's said to be a special case in a bunch of ways) but at the very least we know he can walk the mortal world for an evening without causing any collateral damage.
--- Quote ---I don't recall the Mothers coming to the mortal world; did that happen and I forgot it? Or was it in one of the short stories I haven't read yet?
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The only instance of them being fully in the mortal world is when Harry summoned Mother Winter and (accidentally) forced her to come get him, and she wasnt there long (or fully, I suspect). Other than that they were able to both be present during the Battle in SK, which was some sort of border-zone of the NN and not truely the Mortal world
raidem:
I've changed the title of the thread to include the Circle so feel free to also try to figure out the membership of the Circle.
--- Quote ---I swallowed. Cowl. It had been Cowl. I'd heard the hatred and venom in his voice, the familiarity—and the overwhelming power of his magic had been unmistakable. He'd survived the Darkhallow. He was working with this "Circle," who were almost certainly the Black Council, and there was some kind of larger mischief afoot inChicago than I had suspected.
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So far with respect to the Circle, I'm guessing that these may be/have been considered part of the Circle:
Cowl, Maeve, Fomor, RCV King, Lord Raith...
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