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Grey Council vs. Circle

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Rasins:
Okay so I'm a bit confused and want some clarification ...
There are 13 members of the Grey council.

--- Quote ---#136 “I am also highly intrigued by the Gray Council showing up as 12 in number.”
Thirteen, actually: Harry was already there.
“So we found out who 2 of them were, i’d like to know how many of the rest we already know and how many of them haven’t been formally introduced to us yet.”
Hang on, counting… You already know six of the folks who showed up at Chichen Itza, excluding McCoy and Vadderung.
--- End quote ---
13 - Harry
12 - Ebenezer
11 - Odin/Vadderung
10 - We've met/seen but don't know
09 - We've met/seen but don't know
08 - We've met/seen but don't know
07 - We've met/seen but don't know
06 - We've met/seen but don't know
05 - We've met/seen but don't know
04 - Have not met
03 - Have not met
02 - Have not met
01 - Have not met

Do I have the slots correct?  And we're trying to figure out the "We've met/seen but don't know" category, right?

wardenferry419:
I think your listing seems right. As for the rest, we are just tossing theories and ideas at the wall to see what sticks. That is, until Butcher changes the wall. LOL

raidem:
Yep.  You have it right. I wish I had done that from the beginning.  I just did it in my head.

Bacchus:
hmm i should go look up what ebineezer said in pg i guess.

 I was also going off how the gatekeeper was one of the only ones to know Maggie la fey was EB's daughter and watched out for her on EB's behalf. it seems he is doing the same thing for Dresden, either on his own or on EB's request. He often seems to pop up and give Dresden just enough help to succeed.

also for those who guess at senior council members, i feel like the merlin cant be in the grey council and no more than 3 senior council members total (not a majority vote)
otherwise the extreme secrecy and worry that they would be executed as traitors wouldn't make sense. They would just be a top secret classified group doing covert actions which is relatively common during any war.  thats why i think EB LtW and the gatekeeper as the most likely senior council members.

is there a real reason most dont seem to include LtW in their guesses?

raidem:

--- Quote ---It is because Eb says LTW was layed up sick in Edinburgh.
--- End quote ---

I've come to believe that we really ought not use people having 'alibi' as a reason to strictly cross them off as their are people that can impersonate them.  Also, there are there other self in these parallel worlds that can stand in for them. 

For LTW to be truly on the Grey Council, and to have used a 'shadowself' laid up in Edinburgh, it would mean that Eb doesn't trust Harry with this information.  Or, that he doesn't trust conveying this information over magical messaging.

In Amber series, the 'magical messaging' can get wiretapped.  So, Eb may be aware of this in part, and he has to lie to Harry during these conversations to keep the wiretappers uncertain.  It also would give more meaning for the group to meet in person as opposed to conversing long distances.

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