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Disproof
Arjan:
--- Quote from: raidem on January 11, 2018, 06:47:29 PM ---Arjan is pointing out certain hoops that have to be jumped through in order for the Murphy/Mab theory to work. So, it isn't so much as disproof as an argument that has to be considered and appropriately addressed.
I do though allow for a non-magic user to gain access to a mantle. And we don't know if Murphy has changeling roots somewhere down her family line. And, we don't know for sure that Mab had no affect on who the winter lady mantle went to.
Can Mab affect who gets the Winter Lady mantle? I suspect so given Titania saying the Summer Lady mantle didn't go to one of her choosing.
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I think the only thing she can do is groom suitable candidates and then bring them at the right place and time to be considered by the mantle as a suitable host. So keep a suitable candidate nearby at halloween.
Of course she can just kill the Lady at the stone table and have the replacement rady.
Cozarkian:
At the end of ghost story, Mab tells Harry that he will never be her ally in his heart. She also tells him that she will never trust him.
Mab can't lie, so if she is also Murphy, that would mean that Murphy will never trust Harry and that Mab believes Harry doesn't truly view Murphy as an ally.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Cozarkian on January 11, 2018, 08:31:03 PM ---At the end of ghost story, Mab tells Harry that he will never be her ally in his heart. She also tells him that she will never trust him.
Mab can't lie, so if she is also Murphy, that would mean that Murphy will never trust Harry and that Mab believes Harry doesn't truly view Murphy as an ally.
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I dont know, those statements seem like they're restricted to the Future Case. I mean, you likely could have said a similar thing about Susan in Changes but that would not have impacted or negated what had gone before (not trying to start a susan tangent, it's just the first example I came up with). So long as Murphy came before Mab, that could still be a true statement from Mab's timeline (which every keeps saying is a stupid mortal construct anyway).
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: Quantus on January 11, 2018, 08:57:48 PM ---I dont know, those statements seem like they're restricted to the Future Case. I mean, you likely could have said a similar thing about Susan in Changes but that would not have impacted or negated what had gone before (not trying to start a susan tangent, it's just the first example I came up with). So long as Murphy came before Mab, that could still be a true statement from Mab's timeline (which every keeps saying is a stupid mortal construct anyway).
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Harry clearly relies upon Murphy as an ally in both Cold Days and Skin Game. Those are in the future with respect to Mab's comments in GS, and Mab would know that she was Murphy and that Harry, would, in the future, be considering Murphy an ally.
Ananda:
--- Quote from: raidem on January 11, 2018, 05:43:41 PM ---Which do you guys think is more likely TTMurphy becoming our Mab via time travel or Molly becoming Mab via time travel?
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Neither one is at all likely. You have some fun with your ideas, but I highly doubt that is the story Butcher is telling. Have you ever tried to develop your own stories? With as much energy as you put into this, you could create your own original material and then we could all post theories on a forum for your books.
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