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Quantus:
Also worth noting that in the DV it's not Binary: *Everyone* has some miniscule amount of magic, just the vast majority dont have enough to ever be useful, even with training.
RobReece:
--- Quote from: raidem on January 11, 2018, 02:59:50 PM ---
But, Murphy, a mortal, had killed Maeve.
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On Halloween, everyone is mortal.
raidem:
That was only part of the point.
The main point is that typically on Halloween immortals (mortals too see darkhallow) gain power by defeating others (immortal or not) in part or in full. What I'm suggesting is the possibility that Murphy, though she didn't get the Winter Lady mantle, did get some nonzero amount of power, influence, acknowledgement etc that came from this killing.
Likewise, a similar argument could be made that Harry's allies at Chichen Itza and the members of the Grey acquired some nonzero power with the defeat of the Red Court.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: raidem on January 11, 2018, 03:47:16 PM ---That was only part of the point.
The main point is that typically on Halloween immortals (mortals too see darkhallow) gain power by defeating others (immortal or not) in part or in full. What I'm suggesting is the possibility that Murphy, though she didn't get the Winter Lady mantle, did get some nonzero amount of power, influence, acknowledgement etc that came from this killing.
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I dont think that would be the case; that Power that moves during Halloween is (or at least sure seems to be by all description) a literal, net-zero sort of thing where one party gains power by Taking it from another. The Darkhallow is literally Eating energy to make it part of yourself. Halloween was only needed to allow a large enough chunk to reach 'critical mass' and jump the line between Mortal and Immortal, which is why the "mini-Darkhallow" that hag was doing in the comics did not require Halloween.
raidem:
This nonzero vs netzero argument isn't entirely apples and apples.
I'm suggesting that Maeve lost some nonzero amount of power that went to Murphy aside from the Winter Lady mantle. That power still would be netzero. Even if there was a zero amount of power that went to Murphy from Maeve, I'd argue she did gain influence, acknowledgement which is part of power in nevernever with her killing of Maeve. One has to wonder what Mab thought about it being she couldn't quite do the deed herself.
On the note of Mab, I was thinking back to when Mab took the bullet out of Mac at the end of Cold Days. I coupled it with the short story Even Hand where Gard gives Marcone a rune engraved bullet that took out a historical figure to be used against the Fomor Lord. Well, I'd imagine that Mab wanted this bullet and got it via some sort of exchange her pulling out the bullet so that Mac could heal with an intention of using a metaphysically laced bullet to take out something bigger. Now, imagine if Griffyn is right that Mac is a transubstantiated Raphael. He was just gut shot with a bullet, I would think that the bullet would/could be fashioned into something greater like Gard did with her bullet.
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