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White Court Anit-Love and Blood Rites
Lidy:
I've noticed the touching thing, too. Not with Lara, but with Thomas and Harry. Someone said Arthur might've been wearing a long-sleeved shirt, which is possible. Or Lara could have had gloves on, but the idea that she was reining in her Hunger is more interesting. However, in the same book, Thomas describes how Lara and another vampire got sick after touching a love symbol (Lara even has the scar), so I don't think merely keeping the Hunger in check is viable.
Instead, I wonder if Arturo is an old-fashionable man and refused to consummate his relationship with his fiancee (or if she made the choice and he went along with it. I remember she said he falls in love easily). That way, he wouldn't have been protected from Lara's touch, as physical intimacy seems to be the key to it. Anything other than non-loving-sex could be considered platonic.
As for Thomas, he burns when he touches Justine because... the demon loves her, too? If the Hunger is capable of feeling love (and it understands the emotion enough to know it hurts it), then feeling it would be self-destructive, so it doesn't matter how much control Thomas has over it (and he has a lot, as he was able to feed off his clients without killing them), near Justine, the Hunger goes crazy, like Gollum (love her/hate her).
Ananda:
It’s probably just a continuity error.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Lidy on January 06, 2018, 08:12:14 PM ---I've noticed the touching thing, too. Not with Lara, but with Thomas and Harry. Someone said Arthur might've been wearing a long-sleeved shirt, which is possible. Or Lara could have had gloves on, but the idea that she was reining in her Hunger is more interesting. However, in the same book, Thomas describes how Lara and another vampire got sick after touching a love symbol (Lara even has the scar), so I don't think merely keeping the Hunger in check is viable.
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It's two separate things.
We don't know why it's so, but for some reason the love-energy in symbols of love affects the Whites differently. Maybe it radiates from it, while to encounter it in a person they have to dig in while trying to feed or something. But the effects are simply different.
Maybe a person is like a bottle of energy, and sometimes that energy is contact-poisonous. It's still safe as long as it's in the bottle. I wonder if things like that wedding ring could be compared to an item on which somebody has poured the poisonous energy, so it's coated in the dangerous substance and dangerous on contact, while the bottle of poison is safe unless you open it (i.e. try to feed).
But that's my speculation.
--- Quote ---As for Thomas, he burns when he touches Justine because... the demon loves her, too? If the Hunger is capable of feeling love (and it understands the emotion enough to know it hurts it), then feeling it would be self-destructive, so it doesn't matter how much control Thomas has over it (and he has a lot, as he was able to feed off his clients without killing them), near Justine, the Hunger goes crazy, like Gollum (love her/hate her).
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No.
Thomas the man loves Justine. Thomas the Hunger wants to devour Justine. It so happens that these two desires are both passionately intense with regard to her.
Thomas' Hunger tries to feed on every human being that he comes into skin-to-skin contact with. When Thomas and Harry rap knuckles, Thomas' Hunger tries to feed on Harry. If Thomas saved Karrin from falling off a cliff, his Hunger would try to feed on Karrin at the same time as long as their bodies were touching.
But most of the time it's easy for Thomas to restrain the Hunger, so he can shake hands or save someone in danger or whatever safely. The exception is if he hasn't fed in so long the Hunger is starving, then he becomes deadly dangerous to everyone around him because the Hunger is off the leash.
The other exception is Justine. As much as Thomas the man loves her, Thomas the Hunger thinks she's absolutely delicious. Thomas' Hunger 'loves' Justine in the same way I that I 'love' good spaghetti or a well-cooked steak, or Harry 'loves' Mama Murphy's burgers. Justine just tastes too good to resist and Thomas can't restrain his Hunger near her.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: jonas on January 06, 2018, 07:57:27 PM ---Negligible, she has a permanent scar from it, not from trying to feed. Thomas feed on Justine and he loves her and it doesn't permanently scar him. It twas the object as a symbolic talisman, she's not going to feed on an object.
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I still wonder, incidentally, if that ring was her own, from when she was much younger.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Lidy on January 06, 2018, 08:12:14 PM ---I've noticed the touching thing, too. Not with Lara, but with Thomas and Harry. Someone said Arthur might've been wearing a long-sleeved shirt, which is possible. Or Lara could have had gloves on, but the idea that she was reining in her Hunger is more interesting. However, in the same book, Thomas describes how Lara and another vampire got sick after touching a love symbol (Lara even has the scar), so I don't think merely keeping the Hunger in check is viable.
Instead, I wonder if Arturo is an old-fashionable man and refused to consummate his relationship with his fiancee (or if she made the choice and he went along with it. I remember she said he falls in love easily). That way, he wouldn't have been protected from Lara's touch, as physical intimacy seems to be the key to it. Anything other than non-loving-sex could be considered platonic.
As for Thomas, he burns when he touches Justine because... the demon loves her, too? If the Hunger is capable of feeling love (and it understands the emotion enough to know it hurts it), then feeling it would be self-destructive, so it doesn't matter how much control Thomas has over it (and he has a lot, as he was able to feed off his clients without killing them), near Justine, the Hunger goes crazy, like Gollum (love her/hate her).
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The love between Thomas and Justine is true love, that is why he could not touch her until she had physical sex with someone else.. Remember she invited a gay woman friend at the end of Ghost Story? Since though she might be mildly bi-sexual, she isn't gay, so the gay sex counts to break the true love lock that prevented Thomas from touching her and at the same time in their minds at least since she isn't gay stayed faithful.
Love tokens like a wedding ring or a rose can burn if they were exchanged in true love. It's complicated, the best theory I
can think of is the Hunger Demon feeds on carnal lust and the "hormones/emotions" that calls forth, but true love is on a higher level... Kind of like getting too near the sun, the Hunger Demon feeds on the light and warmth until death of the victim. Think of true love itself as the sun, touch it and you burn up.
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