The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
In This, The End of All Things, I Come Out of Lurking
wardenferry419:
--- Quote from: jonas on January 05, 2018, 03:15:39 AM ---How do you know you still have a soul? Molly thinks she still does after all..
--- End quote ---
Because I listen to alot of Motown!
Rasins:
--- Quote from: jonas on January 05, 2018, 03:15:39 AM ---How do you know you still have a soul? Molly thinks she still does after all..
--- End quote ---
Yes she does. Just like Mab. They both still have souls, but they are tending to be turning more and more on the Dark side.
The Soul doesn't go away, it's just, like, on a spectrum ... dark to light, or good to evil, or demonic to saintly.
As to WF - I'm not so sure ... he may have lost his. He should check behind the couch, or in the dryer.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Rasins on January 05, 2018, 04:21:39 PM ---Yes she does. Just like Mab. They both still have souls, but they are tending to be turning more and more on the Dark side.
The Soul doesn't go away, it's just, like, on a spectrum ... dark to light, or good to evil, or demonic to saintly.
As to WF - I'm not so sure ... he may have lost his. He should check behind the couch, or in the dryer.
--- End quote ---
Prove it, soul gaze Mab, Have molly blast a cell phone by accident? Sure it's a spectrum, the same spectrum that still gives it to Reds that, iirc you refuted O.o lol.(after looking through 30+ pages I gave up on finding that convo, insisting Susan was not just 'gone')
Besides, I said A Soul, not soul itself. Fairies have some soul built into their design. But that doesn't make it the Host's pure alloy anymore.
Rasins:
--- Quote from: jonas on January 05, 2018, 06:34:38 PM ---Prove it, soul gaze Mab, Have molly blast a cell phone by accident? Sure it's a spectrum, the same spectrum that still gives it to Reds that, iirc you refuted O.o lol.(after looking through 30+ pages I gave up on finding that convo, insisting Susan was not just 'gone')
Besides, I said A Soul, not soul itself. Fairies have some soul built into their design. But that doesn't make it the Host's pure alloy anymore.
--- End quote ---
From Jim himself ... (By the way, I asked this question of him at the signing.)
KC Signing Transcript - Part 1-1
--- Quote ---The other question I had is, **unintelligible**…when a human takes on the mantle of a Fae, do they automatically become Fae? Do they lose their soul?
Ok, do they automatically become Fae, do they lose their soul? The answer to that question is “sort of”. Um, it’s automatic, but not necessarily instant. Mab herself was human once, and she eventually became the, uh, the fun-loving Mab that we all know. So, a lot of it has to do with who you are when you go into it, because most of the Fae were human once. A lot were born as half-bloods and decided to become Fae and sort of automatically got their **unintelligible**. But a lot of the other Fae who were there, including the Erl and several others, who were at one point humans….So, a lot of this is going to depend on who they might end up being, a lot of it depends on who they are going into it and what kind of will they have to maintain who they are. That’s going to be a big deal. I’m really looking forward to writing the next books so I can see what happens with Molly, ‘cause I’m really not sure yet, I have a vague idea of what’s gonna happen, because basically she just got handed the largest, unruliest crowd of little brothers and sisters to deal with ever.
**Audience laughter**
But on the other hand, she’s kinda cool with that. She’s used to that role. So anyway, we’ll have to see what happens to her, but, uh, there’s a lot of choice involved **unintelligible** as far as soul goes. Everybody always talks about souls as if it’s something you can have a receipt for, that if you lose it, then it’s just gone, and I don’t think souls work that way, I think that there’s too much attached to them, I think that there are too many things that consist of what your soul is, so I don’t think this is kinda trying to figure “did you lose your soul?”, because I think you can lose your soul without bothering to stop by any kind of supernatural beings whatsoever. You know, if you watch the news, you’ll see people who do that all the time. But yeah, as far as The Dresden Files goes, as far as eternal damnation, etc., goes, no I don’t think that’s as much an issue for Molly as yet, it could sometime though. Whether Mab has some kind of spark of a soul left or not, that’s one of those questions that would be very difficult to answer, and I’m probably not smart enough to answer it. Probably, when you’ve gone so far down the road, just pure power is madness, it’s hard to hang on to your soul. And it depends on how people who have been handed all this extra stuff deal with it, and what that’s going to do for them in the long run. And it’s one of those long run kind of things, meaning you’re going to be stuck like that for 2,000 years, you don’t really have to go bad tomorrow, you have plenty of time yet to start growing mold on your conscience.
--- End quote ---
In the 2nd bolded part, Jim clearly is referring to the spectrum of Saved to Damned. And in the first bolded part he is saying that you never LOSE your soul, like no longer have one. So that would mean that Mab (who he actually refers to) still has Body, Spirit, AND Soul.
raidem:
He is using different definitions of soul in that passage. So, I agree with Raisins.
There is a soul that is eternal I believe, which you never lose.
There is a soul that is about maintaining oneself, one's identity, one's conscience even while wearing a mantle.
There is a soul where doing bad acts causes you to lose it.
Mab ability to maintain her soul "depends on who [she] is going into it and what kind of will [she] has to maintain who [she] is", but her mantle has warped it to such a degree that Jim himself can't really tell if she has a "conscience" left which is I believe the test case if she has lost her soul, her identity separate from the mantle.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version