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In This, The End of All Things, I Come Out of Lurking
jonas:
--- Quote from: Rasins on December 26, 2017, 07:25:56 PM ---And alt-Harry has been proposed. Evidence in the descriptions of Cowl suggest that it's not though.
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not really, that's where I can find a lot of the evidence. Like in WN, the fiery bird Cowl summons is the Harry version of Lasciel manifest. each version of Cowl is from a current split, so finding the opposing actions/thematics isn't hard. in WN Harry is overcoming Lash and the Fallen, in opposition the cowl version has not. I could others... probably after we migrate so I know it won't get lost... though may also wait on PT too.
*cowls indirectly helping Harry's fate by effecting events around him and beings without will... think what the direct result of the Atheme was, Lea directly used the knife to save Harry, Harry under Mab's thumb instead, Lea rising up, Molly being saved, ect. It's a reverse domino effect. the results grow bigger.
Kindler:
Good thread. I mostly agree, especially about Molly and Murphy. Molly/Harry is a pairing that I'm not a fan of. It's like hooking up with your high school chemistry teacher. Super weird, even after you graduated.
As for Cowl/Simon, I think there is some evidence pointing to him, but all of it is circumstantial. I'm honestly not even sure it would make sense narratively at this point, without putting in some more work. There is some meta stuff here, so bear with me. First, Simon is never seen on page—which is a point against him narratively, as he's not really a character, just a piece of background information—but he's mentioned way, way, way back in Summer Knight. Archangel is brought up at the end of Blood Rites, when Eb takes down Casse Verde, but I don't think Simon is even mentioned. Archangel and Simon's death IS mentioned in Turn Coat, because of the evidence for both being inside jobs.
Basically what I'm saying is that Simon isn't a character in this series as it stands right now; he's ancillary motivation for Ebenezer to actually take a spot on the Senior Council (that and saving Harry). He's brought up in two or three books out of fourteen.
Now, if Grave Peril goes down differently in Mirror, Mirror, I believe Simon may still be alive, and we can find out for certain, and actually give the guy some characterization before a reveal. Even if he's not alive, Peabody might be; Harry could interrogate that version to find out what happened at Archangel, and thus provide some answers. Hell, you might find out that Peabody was actually a fine thrall of Simon's the whole time...
Anyway, the point I'm making is that I'd be kind of disappointed if the next book just sort of dropped Cowl's identity reveal as Simon into its plot without making him a real character first, and Mirror, Mirror is a good opportunity to do that.
WereElephant:
--- Quote from: Oijl on December 22, 2017, 07:37:28 PM ---
Truth 1
Simon is NOT Cowl! There is NO evidence - yes, I've heard all the arguments, and all of it is grasping at straws. Maybe Cowl is someone we know, maybe Cowl is Cowl, but he is not not NOT Simon, and those of you who cling to this outrageous belief will feel quite silly indeed when Cowl's identity is revealed (in, like, fifty years).
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I concur. In Dead Beat, Cowl's magic has a residual necromantic taint to it that Harry easily sensed, even when doing non-necromantic actions such as opening a Way if I recall correctly. Harry is far from the most sensitive to these auras. If Simon were really Cowl, the Senior Council would have sniffed him out, so to speak, ages ago.
That being said, I could see a convoluted plot wherein Simon becomes Cowl. Red Court attack Simon's tower, he uses Death Curse and dies. Brought back by necromancy. Goes back in time/to other dimension to learn from Kemmler. Becomes the Ringwraith we know and love.
Normally, I would dismiss that idea completely, except for there being a Law of Magic against time travel (laws are made to be broken, nicht wahr?), and the fact that Cowl used "Dorosh" as an incantation, an Eastern European name according to my googling and wikipedia'ing. Pietrovich was also Russian. It's not a great link, but it's something, and "Dorosh" has been driving me nuts trying to fathom why that was used.
Honestly, though, I'm hoping Cowl isn't Pietrovich. I'd like to be more surprised than that.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Rasins on December 26, 2017, 07:25:56 PM ---And alt-Harry has been proposed. Evidence in the descriptions of Cowl suggest that it's not though.
I'm firmly in the Simon=Cowl camp.
Mostly because it makes sense.
Simon was the Council's vampire expert. No reason to believe he couldn't have gone over (helping at Bianca's ball), then deciding he needed to be "free-er" to act so faked his own death.
The only thing that hangs me up a bit is the tenuous thought of him being a disciple of Kemmler. I'm not sure how that worked, with him being an SC member.
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He may not have been a disciple of Kemmler. He may have hated Kemmler but feels that the Council has tied the hands of it's members with their laws. He might even have felt that Kemmler would have been defeated more easily if the Council had not limited their own members from certain forms of magic.
raidem:
I think I had an epiphany in a dream about kumori desire to defeat death that it means something different than what we've talked about before but I forgot the epiphany lol.
Oh, now I remember, they wanted to capture mantels of immortals like they later try to do with cowl capturing godhood via darkhallow. I think Maggie Sr, kumori, etc tried to defeat death by capturing mantels of immortality. That was their long term plans. They weren't trying to defeat mother winter or death personified etc.
It was ltw who said he knew some of those that wanted to live forever. I wonder if there are some wizards that are aiming to capture some mantels to get the immortality that comes with it.
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