The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
The mysteries of Maggie, Sr.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 30, 2017, 01:55:34 AM ---I don't see her being a parasite infected from outside, with an established means for how (the Denarian coin) necessarily being of any definitive relevance to the case of White Court "demons"; we have no evidence for any ways of getting them into otherwise uninfected humans.
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I don't think that's an accident, any more than I think it's incidental that the White Court does its business in Etruscan, or that the titles of the BAT are the favorite White Court curse words.
My guess is that the first White Court vampire was a human being or small group of human beings, who (consensually or not) was merged with one of the demon-things, probably in Etruria in pre-Roman/early Roman times, and the modern White Court are descended from him, her, or possibly them, if it was a small group.
Was Lord Raith that first one? Theoretically possible, but I rather doubt it. But I doubt he's many generations removed.
Which suggests a linkage to the Black Court more than the Red, oddly. The Red Court appear to be physical parasites, they use humans as hosts for their offspring and the offspring copies some of the personality and at least some of the memories of the deceased host. For a mundane world metaphor, they are like the insects that plant their offspring inside another creature, who devour it from within. The emerged Red Vampire is in no sense the same entity that as the former host human, who is gone.
But the Black Court vampires appear to be the same human entity, dead and reanimated, true, full-deal vampires. In that sense, they are more like the White Vampires than the Red. The White parasites seem to leave the host alive, and need the host alive, and reproduce when the host reproduces. It looks suspiciously like a link to the Outside is involved.
The Black Court kill the human, but reanimate him/her with some even deeper link to Outside. It's not obvious that the Red Court had an Outsider link at all.
Now I can't prove this, but it's my working hypothesis. I also note that Harry muses at one point that the White Council dates back to that period (in earlier form, no doubt). Is there a link? Insufficient data.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on December 04, 2017, 08:13:51 PM ---Yah, but, to complete my comparison, we do not have any examples of contemporary living creatures that exist without mitochondria suddenly acquiring them. Inheriting something from your parents does not confirm that that thing can exist outside a human.
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But we do have extant strains of bacteria that look, genetically, to be closer-than-cousins to mitochondria.
It is true that apparently the formation of the eukaryotic cell only happened once, or twice if you count the admixture of chloroplasts. Which also suggests that the formation of the symbiosis is really, really hard. Which might make it a decent metaphor for the White Court, at that.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 04, 2017, 09:09:14 PM --- To go back to Lash she started as a part of Lasciel even when she was residing in Harry.
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Small nitpick: Lash was never part of Lasciel, from the start. She was a 'copy, of an unknown degree of accuracy', an AI program, based on Lasciel's personality, imprinted on Harry's brain. She was always a separate entity, she just was programmed not to realize that until Harry hacked the code.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on December 05, 2017, 03:45:47 AM ---Small nitpick: Lash was never part of Lasciel, from the start. She was a 'copy, of an unknown degree of accuracy', an AI program, based on Lasciel's personality, imprinted on Harry's brain. She was always a separate entity, she just was programmed not to realize that until Harry hacked the code.
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You can say that. Lasciel and Lash in the beginning both thought differently.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 05, 2017, 05:18:46 AM ---You can say that. Lasciel and Lash in the beginning both thought differently.
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Though it's not clear that Lash knew it.
For that matter, I've always questioned how 'close' the correspondence between shadow and Fallen really is. The shadows think they are perfect copies...but how likely is that, really? Could you even fit the full scope of knowledge of beings that ancient and vast into a mortal brain?
Further, is it in the interest of the Fallen to produce such a full copy, even if it can be done? After all, that information is now in a mortal mind, theoretically accessible to that mortal, or to a psychomancer with enough skill and willingness to break the Third Law. Could be a major security breach, a way for your enemies to learn an awful lot about you.
I just wonder how close the copies really are to their creators.
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