The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
The mysteries of Maggie, Sr.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 15, 2017, 05:10:58 PM ---I do not think Margaret could have saved Thomas from vampirism, the only cure we know is unpredictable an impossible to plan.
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They weren't told they were vampires. If they know about what their first time will do to them, they can make the choice, or at least prepare themselves for it.
Seriously, if you were told when you were ten that your first time would either turn you into a monster or you'd remain a normal person depending upon your depth of feeling, wouldn't you make an effort to work out when the best time was? Wouldn't you be extra cautious?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Kindler on November 15, 2017, 05:19:24 PM ---They weren't told they were vampires. If they know about what their first time will do to them, they can make the choice, or at least prepare themselves for it.
Seriously, if you were told when you were ten that your first time would either turn you into a monster or you'd remain a normal person depending upon your depth of feeling, wouldn't you make an effort to work out when the best time was? Wouldn't you be extra cautious?
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A thirteen year old boy? Full with hormones and the egoism of puberty? First try telling him about homework and the importance of a good education. Or anything that involves responsibility and planning for more than three hours.
And remember how obnoxious Ebenezar and all his descendants are, it is probably worse.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 15, 2017, 05:26:41 PM ---A thirteen year old boy? Full with hormones and the egoism of puberty? First try telling him about homework and the importance of a good education. Or anything that involves responsibility and planning for more than three hours.
And remember how obnoxious Ebenezar and all his descendants are, it is probably worse.
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You do realize that A) I was a thirteen-year old boy, and B) magic changes things, right? If my mother chucked a fireball, looked at me, and said "Magic is real, you aren't fully human, and there's some stuff we need to go over to make sure you don't become a monster," you're damn right I would've listened.
This isn't a talk about the birds and the bees, or the importance of saying no to drugs. This is a talk about a single event that will absolutely change who he is as a person.
Aside from which, we have confirmation that it's possible: Thomas's sister, at the end of Blood Rites.
Margaret robbed Thomas of that chance by leaving him with Raith.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Kindler on November 15, 2017, 05:32:45 PM ---You do realize that A) I was a thirteen-year old boy, and B) magic changes things, right? If my mother chucked a fireball, looked at me, and said "Magic is real, you aren't fully human, and there's some stuff we need to go over to make sure you don't become a monster," you're damn right I would've listened.
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Magic changes things in more than one way. The demon is already there and wants to express itself. That is far more difficult than a drug never used.
--- Quote ---This isn't a talk about the birds and the bees, or the importance of saying no to drugs. This is a talk about a single event that will absolutely change who he is as a person.
Aside from which, we have confirmation that it's possible: Thomas's sister, at the end of Blood Rites.
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Real love two sided is not something you can plan for your children as a parent. As a cure it is totally unpredictable and you can not count on it especially for a young child.
--- Quote ---Margaret robbed Thomas of that chance by leaving him with Raith.
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Margaret had to run away and she could not take her baby shark with her.
Kindler:
I'm not saying that you can account for true love. I'm saying that Thomas could have been properly prepared. He did not have that chance; he was ignorant of his true nature until it happened.
I'm also not saying that his demon wouldn't have disagreed. But Thomas managed to beat his demon for years with nothing but his own willpower, after it had fully grown.
It doesn't matter that true love is rare, or that his demon would've tried to override his instincts, or that kids have hormones and don't want to listen to mom and dad. Him having sex outside a loving relationship has a one-hundred percent chance of turning him into a vampire for life. There was a chance it could've been prevented, and that's a chance that's worth taking, isn't it? I'm not accusing Margaret of not vaccinating her son, I'm accusing her of not telling him that diseases were a thing and leaving him at a leper colony. Maybe there's a good reason for that, and that's what I'm wondering.
As for the last bit, my questions is why she couldn't take him. She was, evidently, able to leave him a pentacle (which I suppose Raith never noticed, or I suspect he would've taken it). Was it an action-movie escape sequence, where she was fleeing into the Nevernever from armed vampires, or was it planned in advance, which might have been adjusted to take Thomas with her? Was she unwilling to take a kid on the run? Or was there another reason?
My point is that the kid was five. You try tearing me away from my kids, and I'll leave you a puddle of unrecognizable fleshsludge on the ground. I can't believe that Margaret didn't have similar instincts.
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