The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
The mysteries of Maggie, Sr.
Mira:
--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 17, 2017, 09:21:56 AM ---It may be if Maggie saw the two options available to Thomas, her son, and chose her needs for him over the chance for him to have a happy, normal life.
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Thing is, Thomas was screwed from the get go... His life would never be "normal" whether she took him with her or not.
Lord Raith would forever be out to kill him along with her for starters, that doesn't make for a normal life. He still would have to deal with the demon inside of him. He may never have met Justine..
Rasins:
Bottom line is that we don't know the circumstances of her leaving Raith. For all we know she wasn't able to get away whenever she had Thomas. He could have been in Milan and Maggie was in Ontario. That's when she had her chance and so she took it.
I personally don't necessarily believe that she knew how a Wampire demon get's control. She may have been taught by her anti-vampire father that they are born that way. Nothing she could do would prevent it.
As to her leaving Thomas (in general), I'm convinced that she learned about Papa Raith's truck with Outsiders and tried to learn all she could about it. That's how she found out about the Starborn and possibly how to cause one to be created. This being more important that protecting a baby vampire could be how she was able to leave. Also, don't forget that she is pretty old. She COULD have been just jaded enough to have been able to leave her kid. I'm not sure I buy it, but it is possible.
kazimmoinuddin:
I had this idea that the curse placed on the white King would somehow free or save Thomas. Not sure on the details but just a feeling.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Rasins on November 22, 2017, 05:09:17 PM ---I personally don't necessarily believe that she knew how a Wampire demon get's control. She may have been taught by her anti-vampire father that they are born that way. Nothing she could do would prevent it.
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Note, again, that White Court "demons" are not yet actually proven to be an independent thing. (Harry seeing something he parses as Thomas' demon in BR is a datum that has doubt cast on it by the WoJ about how what one sees in a soulgaze is subjective; it's not that far away from how he sees Molly's friend's addiction as if it were an independent monster, under the Sight, in PHG.)
--- Quote ---As to her leaving Thomas (in general), I'm convinced that she learned about Papa Raith's truck with Outsiders and tried to learn all she could about it. That's how she found out about the Starborn and possibly how to cause one to be created. This being more important that protecting a baby vampire could be how she was able to leave. Also, don't forget that she is pretty old. She COULD have been just jaded enough to have been able to leave her kid. I'm not sure I buy it, but it is possible.
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Or she could, unlike Harry, be just Lawful enough to figure "a chance to save the entire world, implicitly including my son, from Outsiders" as a greater good than "taking my son away from the White Court" and have acted accordingly.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 22, 2017, 07:41:16 PM ---Note, again, that White Court "demons" are not yet actually proven to be an independent thing. (Harry seeing something he parses as Thomas' demon in BR is a datum that has doubt cast on it by the WoJ about how what one sees in a soulgaze is subjective; it's not that far away from how he sees Molly's friend's addiction as if it were an independent monster, under the Sight, in PHG.)
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It is more than that because all the white court vampires seem to think about it as a seperate entity. That can be something they do themselves to get more control over it but it is exactly the way river shoulders and Harry talk about it in the short story as well.
Say the white court were originally highly specialized warlocks then creating a distance between them and their power serves as some form of isolation to prevent madness just like a mantle creates some distance between the bearer and the power.
But the way magic works that isolation can cause the power to become a seperate entity. Magic makes these things real.
I think trying to decide if the hunger is independent or not is misleading, is trying to draw a hard line where there is not. It might even be somewhat different from vampire to vampire.
Seperate demon or part of the vampires spirit are both ways to describe the situation that are both usefull to describe different behaviours of the same vampire but the truth is both.
--- Quote ---Or she could, unlike Harry, be just Lawful enough to figure "a chance to save the entire world, implicitly including my son, from Outsiders" as a greater good than "taking my son away from the White Court" and have acted accordingly.
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