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Justin, Elaine, and Kumori

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Drikonn:
So, a lot of speculation about Justin has brought forward the idea that he was actually more of an anti-hero type than an evil warlock. The evidence to the contrary is that he thralled Elaine. The only evidence I can recall is her saying she was a thrall.

Now, if Elaine is truly Kumori and therefore an acquaintance with the extremely evil Cowl, she would have every reason to lie. It’s a great reason for Harry to trust her, especially since he would reflexively look for a reason that Justin was evil.

I think Justin was just willing to do almost whatever was required to stop Nemesis, including not treating his human weapons with kid gloves. Harry ran away and Elaine was left alone after the big fight. A scared and vulnerable teenager is exactly the kind of person a Nemesis follower would recruit.

As such, I submit that Elaine has been playing him for a very long time and that Justin is actually a utilitarian good guy. Also, I say is because Jim said that Harry was as dead as Justin in Ghost Story.

Kindler:

--- Quote from: Drikonn on November 12, 2017, 11:25:51 PM --- Also, I say is because Jim said that Harry was as dead as Justin in Ghost Story.

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Whoa, hang on; is there a source for this? I don't recall that one anywhere, and that's pretty big.

Foxed:
The source is Word of Jim. He didn't literally say that, but he has referred to both Justin and Harry between Changes and GS as D-E-D dead.

Foxed:
For what it's worth, if you try to limit textual references to the first book in which Cowl appeared, it's pretty obvious that Cowl is Justin.

A. Knows about Bob.

B. We get a lot of Justin info in a book that mostly not about Justin but is about a cowled and mysterious antagonist.

C. Reference to seeing Harry for himself is that he needed to see how Harry had turned out for himself, not that he had never met Harry. If Justin is Cowl, he hasn't seen Harry since Harry got the drop on him as a boy.

wardenferry419:

--- Quote from: Foxed on November 13, 2017, 10:31:51 PM ---For what it's worth, if you try to limit textual references to the first book in which Cowl appeared, it's pretty obvious that Cowl is Justin.

A. Knows about Bob.

B. We get a lot of Justin info in a book that mostly not about Justin but is about a cowled and mysterious antagonist.

C. Reference to seeing Harry for himself is that he needed to see how Harry had turned out for himself, not that he had never met Harry. If Justin is Cowl, he hasn't seen Harry since Harry got the drop on him as a boy.

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If Justin is Cowl than death reaally improved his magical aptitude.

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