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Unsolved Mystery Book10 the disappearing coin trick
Rasins:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 22, 2017, 06:12:06 PM ---It fell into the cold and dark waters of the lake and Mab picked it up. Thorned Namshiel is currently in a block of ice being tortured by Mab.
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That is a great image, but I don't think this is the case. It's not in the nature of the coins to remain out of circulation.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: Rasins on November 27, 2017, 06:13:10 PM ---That is a great image, but I don't think this is the case. It's not in the nature of the coins to remain out of circulation.
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Yeah, but it hasn't been very long, just a couple of years. That's milliseconds to a Fallen. We still haven't seen Cassius's Coin come back, for example, though we've seen Ursiel's, which was delivered to the Church at the same time (within a day or two, I think). Neither of them were there during Small Favor, when every Denarian left was present.
Lasciel's was on the bench for, what, four years, max? White Night through Cold Days/Skin Game? Cassius's has been out for ten, just about.
And if it did fall in the water, imagine if Cat Sith picked it up while he was down there; Nemesis/Thorny/Mab all warring for control of the Eldest Malk. That's a big ball of bad I'd like to see.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Rasins on November 27, 2017, 06:13:10 PM ---That is a great image, but I don't think this is the case. It's not in the nature of the coins to remain out of circulation.
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It is not in their nature to meddle in the affairs of the Sidhe either. When they do they have to pay the price. And if the coin is really infected Mab has a legitimate reason to keep it as long as she guards the gates.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 27, 2017, 06:57:18 PM ---It is not in their nature to meddle in the affairs of the Sidhe either. When they do they have to pay the price. And if the coin is really infected Mab has a legitimate reason to keep it as long as she guards the gates.
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I agree, but I also think that's the crux of it. She might have legitimately held the host/coin combo without any problem. But if you take something out of mortal hands that's specifically suppose to be in mortal hands I gotta think theirs some kinda backlash... This is perhaps a situation where Mab's own nature gets the better of her. When she held the WK it let the fetches come play... for the right reasons she can do the wrong thing.
Now we have two coins potentially out of mortal hands and the apocalypse is brewing, I find this a likely coincidence. Any other major force we've seen put on 'ice' or clay, that's not supposed to be has had major backlash. And oh look, now we have walkers just strolling around reality at will without any sort of host.
Kindler:
--- Quote from: jonas on November 27, 2017, 08:50:09 PM ---I agree, but I also think that's the crux of it. She might have legitimately held the host/coin combo without any problem. But if you take something out of mortal hands that's specifically suppose to be in mortal hands I gotta think theirs some kinda backlash... This is perhaps a situation where Mab's own nature gets the better of her. When she held the WK it let the fetches come play... for the right reasons she can do the wrong thing.
Now we have two coins potentially out of mortal hands and the apocalypse is brewing, I find this a likely coincidence. Any other major force we've seen put on 'ice' or clay, that's not supposed to be has had major backlash. And oh look, now we have walkers just strolling around reality at will without any sort of host.
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(If this sounds sarcastic or flippant, that isn't my intent): Are you suggesting that disrupting the Order of things—in this case by removing the Coins from mortal circulation with Lasciel's, Ursiel's, and Thorny's in the possession of Mab and Hades—that there will be backlash, and that the Walkers manifesting in our reality represents this backlash?
Also, yes, remember that Hades has both Lasciel and Ursiel; the Gensokwa was killed at the Ice Gate, and Harry didn't retrieve his Coin.
If I understand correctly, that's an interesting idea. I'm not sure how that would be explained if it's the case. Mac says there are three Walkers, and there are three Coins out of mortal hands now. This goes against the idea that Nemesis is He Who Walks Beside, of course, so maybe we'll see the third Walker come out to play soon.
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