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Unsolved Mystery Book6 Lord Raith
Arjan:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 22, 2017, 12:55:20 AM ---The reason we have to disbelieve her is that she spends two-thirds of SK misleading Harry, to point him at the Mothers so he will retrieve the Unravelling. And that so far the results of her actions have left her with the Paranet trusting her and working with her.
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She was in a very difficult place there and had a clear motive for what she was doing. Her working for Summer was no secret either. She did what was expected and helped Harry where it counted.
Harry had to get the unraveling anyway otherwise the mothers had not given it to him and the later misdirection was double layered, Harry was just dimm witted as usual.
After that she was not under the same pressure and in white night they had both grown a little. Harry in Summer Knight is still very immature with unrealistic expectations from people following with resentment. His story did not consider the difficulty of Elaines position which is ironic considering Harry’s later relation with Mab.
She simply had no motives for misdirection anymore.
--- Quote ---Why on earth not ?
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She was close to Harry, they had a relation and they had soulgazed. Justin could never know exactly how close so he could not predict how she would really react when he started his magic on Harry. That would make her a risk and risks are to be avoided if possible. It was possible to avoid that risk.
Either by arranging it that she was not there, as he did when he enthralled Elaine, or by enthralling Elaine first.
Harry could point to the day it happened with Elaine which was extra evidence.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 22, 2017, 06:07:30 AM ---She simply had no motives for misdirection anymore. She was close to Harry, they had a relation and they had soulgazed. Justin could never know exactly how close so he could not predict how she would really react when he started his magic on Harry.
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Ah, OK, I see the difference in where we are coming from now. I think.
Am I right in reading that you are coming from a position of them having a relationship as an independent thing, rather than a thing Justin was encouraging (if only by pretending not to see some of it) as one more method of urging them in the intended direction?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 22, 2017, 07:33:59 PM ---Ah, OK, I see the difference in where we are coming from now. I think.
Am I right in reading that you are coming from a position of them having a relationship as an independent thing, rather than a thing Justin was encouraging (if only by pretending not to see some of it) as one more method of urging them in the intended direction?
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Is does not matter that Justin was encouraging it the fact was that it was there. The feeling was mutual as was indicated by the soulgaze. Justin encouraged it and it was part of his plan but he had no way to know how strong the bond between Harry and Elaine was whatever Elaine or Harry told him. So he had no way to make certain how Elaine would react unless he enthralled her.
And it was easy for him to arrange the whole thing without Elaine being there. Elaines illness when he enthralled her was probably caused by Justin as well to keep her home when Harry was at school.
Bacchus:
I've always thought Elaine was super shifty/evil because pure power wise shes just under Dresden and control wise shes stronger than him. That makes her one of the most powerful wizards of Dresden generation and over the last 20 (30?) years we are suppost to believe shes done nothing but hide except for the 2 books were she worked against harry and a bit of paranet and detective stuff, Shes way to powerful to not have done much more than that.
also butcher put way to much back story into her to leave her as she is now.
she obviously didn't really care for Dresden since she actively hid from him and let him believe he killed her. Thats a really really F*$#ed up thing to do and she only revealed she wasn't dead when she had absolutely no choice in the matter. There would have been zero danger to her to tell him as soon as Dresden left Ebenezer farm. she knew dresden well enough to know he would die before betraying her.
I cant imagine any halfway decent person doing that and keeping it up for like 12 years.
In the books shes been in since it seems her first instinct is to manipulate Dresden into getting what she wants when she could have just asked him
wardenferry419:
Preaching to the choir about Elaine.
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