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wardenferry419:
This is a woman who knowingly, willingly, and joyfully had sex with her father for possibly hundreds of years. I understand loving your family. But, you gotta stop before you get to the "bump and grind" part.
As for the similaritiy between Harry killing Susan and Nico killing Deirdre it is, basically, male lover penetrating their female lover with a sharp object until they experience the big death instead of the small death. Other than that, the similarities decline and the differences take over.

Arjan:

--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 23, 2017, 09:36:43 AM ---This is a woman who knowingly, willingly, and joyfully had sex with her father for possibly hundreds of years. I understand loving your family. But, you gotta stop before you get to the "bump and grind" part.
As for the similaritiy between Harry killing Susan and Nico killing Deirdre it is, basically, male lover penetrating their female lover with a sharp object until they experience the big death instead of the small death. Other than that, the similarities decline and the differences take over.

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The question you can ask yourself is if there is any transgression that justifies eternal punishment. If someone can not be saved and is a danger for everyone else locking her up forever or if that can not be achieved securely ending her existence is probably justified but torture forever?

There were serious saints who argued in their writings that one of the joys in haven is to watch the torturing of the damned downstairs from your place in the clouds. That is not healthy. Just get it over with.

wardenferry419:
Personally, I go the agnostic atheist road. But, within the Dresdenverse, Heaven and Hell do seem to exist and they seem to be similar to the Demesne visited in GP just larger in size and encompassing more than one person's POV. So, in that case, the afterlife should reflect the actions and intentions of the person when they lived.
Carmichael alive was a good cop who died heroically but a bit of a jerk and a slob. In his afterlife, he is still a cop but in the best shape of his life. Agatha Hagglethorn was an abused wife who killed her child and her husband, the first was accidental and the second wasn't. Her afterlife reflects the torments of her life and the acts of madness that occurred prior to her death. In GS, there are numerous ghosts that still carry the burdens or benefits of their living actions.
Now, we have Deirdre. While we don't know the entirety of her life; from the sampling we have seen, we can speculate that it was not a life well-lived. For her to be rewarded seems to run counter to previous examples. So, therefore, some punishment is due and should be expected. Hades expressed quite firmly that Deirdre would not be driving down Gravy street on biscuit wheels. Now, whether it should be eternal punishment or not; I leave to the creator.

jonas:

--- Quote from: wardenferry419 on November 23, 2017, 09:36:43 AM ---This is a woman who knowingly, willingly, and joyfully had sex with her father for possibly hundreds of years. I understand loving your family. But, you gotta stop before you get to the "bump and grind" part.
As for the similaritiy between Harry killing Susan and Nico killing Deirdre it is, basically, male lover penetrating their female lover with a sharp object until they experience the big death instead of the small death. Other than that, the similarities decline and the differences take over.

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Oh no, thematically those two acts are just as similar as they are opposite.. in the grand scheme of things one could say Nico's made every bad choice Dresden was ever offered. He's the perfect inversion of everything Harry is.  Harry and Susan's selflessness is just as defining as Nic and (I always forget her name) *insert name here* lack of.

wardenferry419:
I agree that Nico's actions are twisted mirroring of Harry's actions when it came to their daughters. Harry didn't get to raise his daughter; Nico did. Harry saved his daughter from an evil power; Nico made Deirdre the host to one. Harry found Maggie a good home and family structure, though it was not his home; Nico did not. Harry sacrificed another in Maggie's place; Nico maybe could have but chose not to. Harry accepted a terrible burden to save a daughter; Nico sacrificed a daughter to gain a prize.
I was thinking in terms of how Harry and Nico are connected in terms of sacrificing their respective lovers. Which, in Harry's case, was someone that he was not related to; a claim that Nico can not make.

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